Help UCAR Find the Lost Cities of Chile

There’s something romantic about lost civilizations. Archaeologists have ventured all over the world looking for lost civilizations. Little did they know that some lost civilizations report their weather to UCAR, including the mysterious country of Chile whose existence has long been suspected. Here at last is conclusive evidence that the lost country of Chile exists, although its location remains unknown. Many CA readers are inveterate explorers and perhaps you can help UCAR find the lost cities of Chile (as well as the mysterious weather station known only as the “Bogus Station”).

The East Anglia FOI officer told Willis that the CRU station was co-located at UCAR datasets ds564.0 and ds570.0. If one goes to the ds570.0 location, (you may have to register), there is a map of the world which appears to be comprehensive (i.e. all known oceans and continents are displayed.) Above the map is the following intriguing message:

Click region for station list. There are also non-WMO stations and stations with no location .

The idea of stations with no location was irresistible. Were these pirate weather stations that changed locations to avoid detection by NASA? Were they voices from beyond – perhaps evidence of unknown civilizations? And there were over 420 such stations out of just over 5000 in total. So there were not just a few strangers among us.

A number of the mystery stations came from the mysterious civilization known as “Chile”, whose existence has long been suspected. There is other evidence of its existence: if one googles “El Tambillo, Chile latitude”, it turns out that Google has heard of this mysterious lost city and even assigns and one site even provides an overhead image, latitude and longitude of the lost location. Other lost civilizations include the mystery lands of Barbados and Argentina.

I guess that it will be up to archaeologists to locate the intriguingly named “Bogus Station”. Is it in the depths of the Taklamakan desert, in an unknown oasis surrounded by a few hardy Dulan junipers known only to dendroclimatologists seeking temperature proxies? As noted above, CA readers are generous with their time and ideas. If you can solve these thorny problems, I’m sure UCAR will be very grateful.


  1. W Robichaud
    Posted May 23, 2007 at 7:46 AM | Permalink

    Maybe the Answer is somewhere in this RC (educational) site?:-)

  2. James Erlandson
    Posted May 23, 2007 at 8:22 AM | Permalink

    Perhaps there is a link, between these “stations with no location” and the equally mysterious “number stations.”

    Numbers stations are shortwave radio stations of uncertain origin. They generally broadcast voices reading streams of numbers, words, or letters (sometimes using a phonetic alphabet).

    The voices that can be heard on these stations are often mechanically generated. They are in a wide variety of languages, and the voices are usually women’s, though sometimes men’s or children’s voices are used.

    Evidence supports popular assumptions that the broadcasts are channels of communication used to send messages to spies.

    They’re not sending messages to spies — they’re just sending the weather report to UCAR.

  3. Mark T.
    Posted May 23, 2007 at 10:09 AM | Permalink

    Google must be a “friend” of the team.


  4. Steve Sadlov
    Posted May 23, 2007 at 10:19 AM | Permalink

    UCAR and NCAR are also friends of the Team.

  5. Jeff Norman
    Posted May 23, 2007 at 11:01 AM | Permalink


    These are obviously the secret stations that Jones et al have signed their first born away for.

    The actual locations are telecommunicated to the tree labels in Boyd Conservation Area up in Vaughan.

  6. jae
    Posted May 23, 2007 at 11:06 AM | Permalink

    LOL. Bureaucratic bungling at its best.

  7. Chriscafe
    Posted May 23, 2007 at 11:25 AM | Permalink

    Calling from deepest Chile.

    When the President delivered her ‘State of the Nation’ address on last Monday’s public holiday (Dia de Glorias Navales, sort of Memorial Day or Anzac Day equivalent), she made no mention of suddenly disappearing towns or cities. Indeed many of the places mentioned in both lists are important regional centres whose loss would generate a good deal of consternation here, not to mention a substantial loss of souls.

    So I have to assume they still exist, and while I could easily locate them for UCAR, I think the slovenly b**s hould look them up themselves.

    I note that East Anglia is the home of ‘post-normal science’ – is this an example?

  8. Michael Jankowski
    Posted May 23, 2007 at 11:27 AM | Permalink

    Why would geography reveal to you what it’s invested thousands of years of work in?

  9. Steve Sadlov
    Posted May 23, 2007 at 11:42 AM | Permalink

    RE: #7 – One of my Spanish Lit teachers was from Chile – I love the Chilean dry wit. 😉

  10. John Nicklin
    Posted May 23, 2007 at 11:57 AM | Permalink

    I thought that Bogus was a city in eastern Ontario surrounded by the National Capitol lands.

  11. jae
    Posted May 23, 2007 at 4:22 PM | Permalink

    Bogus is a city on the US Eastern Seaboard that is not located in a state.

  12. Mark H
    Posted May 23, 2007 at 7:42 PM | Permalink

    Swift: “In my life, I have prayed but one prayer: oh Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it.”

    God has been kind to Steve.

  13. A.Syme
    Posted May 23, 2007 at 9:48 PM | Permalink

    Bogus is the capital city of Colombia…….

  14. GMF
    Posted May 24, 2007 at 7:13 AM | Permalink

    You guys are so ignorant. Bogus is where the next IPCC conference is being held.

    I, personally, can’t wait to read the Bogus Report from the IPCC and act on the Bogus Recommendations and Bogus Summary for Policy Makers….

  15. Ulises
    Posted May 24, 2007 at 7:32 AM | Permalink

    Steve M,

    how reliable you think is your Googled source ?

    “For El Tambillo, Chile, use latitude 33°24’€²S* and longitude 70°40’€²W”

    The asterisk from above leads to the footnote

    * latitude and longitude for Chile were not supplied in the original WMO/NOAA data. With a few exceptions, the values shown here are for Santiago.

    It appears to me that they did’nt know either and put it on Santiago (for which the coordinates match), just to fill in something. Google Earth offers two Tambillos for Chile, both well in the North of the country. Seems not to be *as* easy to locate the place, but I agree that it should be possible with some effort.

  16. Steve McIntyre
    Posted May 24, 2007 at 7:42 AM | Permalink

    #15. Look, I’m not saying that UCAR should insert latitudes and longitudes by googling for them. I realize that names can be duplicated. Maybe they could email the Meteorological Service in Chile and ask them for lats and longs of these stations. How hard is that? Maybe they could write the World Meteorological Organization. But it’s embarrassing for them to say that these are “stations with no location”.

    BTW I see what you mean about the google source and how they’ve been impacted by this laziness on the part of NOAA and UCAR. However if you go down the google a little bit, there’s a link which presumably gives the location complete with Google Earth image . I’ve inserted that link.

  17. Posted May 24, 2007 at 10:37 AM | Permalink

    You might look at Germany also which has even more such stations with no location, but that would not be as much fun. They are all over the place in the list, but given that station number has some relationship to station location give one some idea.

  18. Steve McIntyre
    Posted May 24, 2007 at 11:14 AM | Permalink

    Eli, if you can help UCAR find the lost cities of Germany, go for it. Hey, you too can have some fun. But pray tell, what’s the difficulty for UCAR in pinning down the station locations?

    And by the way, your claim that my downloading GISS data “resulted in denial of service to everyone else” is untrue and was made without any basis or evidence.

  19. Jonathan Schafer
    Posted May 24, 2007 at 3:56 PM | Permalink


    FWIW, The Weather Network for El Tambillo shows no Lat/Long coordinates either. See here.

    But even though they also have no idea where it is, they appear to have rainfall totals.

    Microsoft Earth doesn’t even show an El Tambillo in Chile. I think they show one in Bolivia. Google maps does show one, but doesn’t appear to give lat/long coordinates.

  20. Ulises
    Posted May 25, 2007 at 12:42 AM | Permalink

    Weather Network lists the same precipitation as the presumably foul source mentioned earlier, maybe copied from there, and giving values for Santiago.

    From the two Tambillos which Google Earth shows me for Chile, one matches with the one from Steve’s link in #16, so we may be confident that the place exists. There seem to be more Tambillos around in various countries of the subcontinent.

  21. Posted May 26, 2007 at 2:14 AM | Permalink

    I see this as a great help to all those folks with the climate models. Instead of having to adjust their equations which can be so tedious they just adjust the locations of the stations to make every thing come out right. For those stations whose data is truly inconvienient the modelers can just claim a 404 error.

  22. Mike H.
    Posted May 26, 2007 at 5:45 AM | Permalink

    It’s on the imaginary line joining Argentina and someplace out west. Just east of a place called Concepcion or at 37.60° S, 72.70° W.

  23. Posted May 29, 2007 at 2:56 PM | Permalink

    CRU could not find Dunedin data for many years.
    Here is a strange one. Apparently CRU in their CRUTem2 land database have for many years been unable to find any current data for the New Zealand grid cell 45 to 50 South, 170 to 175 East which includes the fair sized city of Dunedin.
    There is a huge gap in the 1970’s then in the 1990’s running to end of 2005, when CRUT2 ceased. The Hadley Centre in their CRUT3 have filled these gaps.
    Bizarre that gaps such as this could go unaddressed for 20 years, where the sites are modern First World places.

    Posted May 30, 2007 at 6:03 AM | Permalink

    # 23

    Warwick, at the Stockholm seminar last September I talked
    to Bob Carter who has been living in Dunedin. He could
    confirm that the minimum temps had plummeted the 10 or so last
    winters!Source WeatherOnline Mid 80ⳳ very seldom or almost never below freezing
    now already frosts in April…Bob did not say specifcally that I just
    checked…and another one 2005: First frost March 30…
    Source: TUTIEMPO Have you seen their stats for Racer Rock
    in Antarctica? If correct even I who normally thinks climate
    =change, would call climate change…Short term climate change
    at least! Anything to do with PDO?? But for southeastern NZ the max
    temps are also increasing but not more frequent…Dunedin WS is at
    the AP, which hasn⳴ moved or?

    Posted May 30, 2007 at 9:24 AM | Permalink

    # 24 Addendum

    Racer Rock has also plummeted if TuTiempo numbers
    are right(5-10 degrees down…) What would Idso say at
    CO2 Science? Not much GW here! The understatement of
    the millennium… NASA-GISS Don⳴ have that station
    in their list (nr 892610) So what to do now? Trying
    to find all possible statistics, check the sites
    IRL get photo documentation etc So after some years
    hopefully we can present a somewhat different
    story than IPCC and others do…

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