We have a new and hopefully final home. It has been a very big and complicated job moving with its nearly 2000 threads, over 200,000 comments, plus images, data, scripts to, which has large enough facilities to prevent the chronic server problems that plagued climateaudit as a standalone server. was set up to deal with overthrow while our new “home” was being prepared and has been transferred as well.

What substantially complicated the move was our desire to preserve the very large number of links to existing climateaudit images and threads (which I’m told create a subterranean draw and which we didn’t want to disconnect.) Anthony, Mr Pete and John A all contributed to the move, which was accomplished during a period when I was otherwise occupied so to speak.  I’m very grateful to them. went several extra yards to accomodate the move and I’m very grateful to their staff as well.  We think the old addresses are all pointing to the new addresses – let us know if you have any problems.

Known issues:
Tip jar not working temp fix installed – P
Prev-page links for older comments not working on some posts fixed – A
Many images are missing fixed -A
Some sidebar links missing/broken fixed all but one which will be fixed soon as I have the file -A
Author highlighting broken on (some) old posts fixed – P
Comment reply box not showing for some readers. should be fixed – P
– Long post titles “wrap” on top of author/date
– Most-recent comments should be at the end, even if threaded. They are not.

Features from the old CA we would like to restore if/when possible:
– “Paste Link” allowing visible linkage between comments
– Enhanced reply box with formatting buttons


  1. Anthony Watts
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 9:13 PM | Permalink

    As first commenter let me say it has been an honor to help. automatically redirects to though it is an invisible transfer.

    For all intents and purposes, it looks like the old setup, but has a shiny new engine and, scads of bandwidth, and distributed cloud computing to handle traffic spikes.

    • MrPete
      Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 9:36 PM | Permalink

      It’s been quite the interesting project, and great to work together with the other volunteers.

      I’ll mention a few changes from before:
      – For now, the only way to link your comments together is to use the bold Reply link. Please make use of it!
      – Would you like your face to show up next to your comments? Then go to and set yourself up. Your picture will automagically appear on any blog that supports gravatars.
      – If you’re one of CA’s math/stats experts, you may be inclined to post mathematical equations. The way to do that in the LaTeX language on the new site is through use of $latex$ tags.
      – To post R or other computer code, use [ sourcecode ] … [ /sourcecode ] tags (without the spaces.) Here’s an example:

      printf("Hello world.");
      • John A
        Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 10:08 PM | Permalink

        If Climate Audit manages to break then I’ll have to accept the Mann Hockey Stick is true after all…

      • Gardy LaRoche
        Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 11:34 AM | Permalink

        will we get HTML tag help above the comment area?

        • MrPete
          Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 11:57 AM | Permalink

          We’d love to restore the comment-assistance tools. That may take time. Normally, this high-performance platform allows no customizations at all, which is understandable as their highest priority is reliable service.

          Over time, we may see some of those tools return, but can’t promise it.

          The best solution might be for a smart tech to create some browser-based tools using either Bookmarklet or Greasemonkey technology. Such tools would not depend on the blog host at all!

  2. charles the moderator
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 9:14 PM | Permalink

    Nice job guys. There may be a kink or two, but otherwise you have done an amazing job.

  3. Jim
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 9:15 PM | Permalink

    It looks good. Thanks to all that were involved!

  4. TerryMN
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 9:17 PM | Permalink

    Looks good, I like it! Thanks Steve, Anthony, Charles, et al.

    • charles the moderator
      Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 5:10 AM | Permalink

      Thanks, but I have no input on this one.

  5. TerryMN
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 9:18 PM | Permalink

    Sorry, didn’t mean to leave out MrPete and John A. Nice job on the migration, all – I know what a ______ they can be.

  6. frost
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 9:22 PM | Permalink

    Man, this loads fast! But it’s probably partly because not much traffic as been transferred here yet.

  7. theduke
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 9:24 PM | Permalink

    Thank you Steve and Anthony. May you reap your just rewards in this world and the next.

    I really missed this place.

    Steve, re your CNN appearance: rookie talking-head of the year award to you.

  8. theduke
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 9:30 PM | Permalink

    I hate to be the first to complain, but on my screen the name of the poster is nearly unreadable because it is on the same line as the “Posted December 8, 2009 at . . .”

    I’m running Mozilla Firefox. Don’t know if that has anything to do with it.

    • MrPete
      Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 9:39 PM | Permalink

      Sorry, theduke. This theme is designed for screens 1024×768 and bigger. I suspect yours is 800×600?

      • theduke
        Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 9:46 PM | Permalink

        Mr. Pete: Thank you for all the work you’ve done also. I’ll check my settings and make it work. If I can’t, I’ll call in my brother-in-law. This happens on one other site I go to: my community website, and I’m the damn Chairman of the Association!

        • theduke
          Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 9:56 PM | Permalink

          Mr. Pete: I was on 1024 but had to go up to 1152×864 to get rid of the overlap. Don’t know why. I’m good now. Thanks.

  9. Jack in Oregon
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 9:31 PM | Permalink

    Thank you to everyone who has worked on this project. The load speed is greatly improved, and the site appears to be working perfectly so far. I look forward to your future auditing articles. Maybe its time to audit the raw data that is feed into the three data bases…

    Best Regards,


  10. HankHenry
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 9:44 PM | Permalink

    Didn’t there used to be a link to Lucia’s “The Blackboard”?

    • Calvin Ball
      Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 11:06 PM | Permalink

      I was going to say the same thing. I think that slipped through the cracks.

      • Anthony Watts
        Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 12:58 AM | Permalink

        fixed now – for some reason it didn’t reproduce right when ported over and was blanked out

  11. deadwood
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 9:54 PM | Permalink

    Glad to have you back Steve. I missed the feeling that I back in lecture hall with a stern but fair prof.

  12. Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 10:07 PM | Permalink

    Steve, Anthony, Mr Pete and John A–

    Looks great to me. Thanks to all of you!

  13. Fiona, Australia
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 10:11 PM | Permalink

    New draft treaty for Copenhagen has been leaked and uploaded to Scribd for anyone who is interested. Search for file called “091127copenhagen”

  14. Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 10:27 PM | Permalink

    As requested, here is a report on some apparent link problems. I am finding a lot of missing figures in head posts of threads. For example the first figure seems to be missing from these threads (but just the first figure):

    Yet Another Upside Down Mann out

    The Trick

    New!! Data From the Decline

    The Deleted Portion of the Briffa Reconstruction

    In some threads far enough back, I am finding ALL figures missing from the head post, for instance:

    Salzer et al. 2009: A First Look

    Just trying to help with diagnostics! I’m sure y’all have done massive heavy lifting over the last few weeks. I suppose it could be my machine or browser, but they haven’t changed over the last month.

  15. Richard Henry Lee
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 10:30 PM | Permalink

    The new site feels just like the old one. Kudos around to keep Steve’s independent work available to all of us.

    It is amusing that RC has not had to switch servers.

  16. Richard Henry Lee
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 10:33 PM | Permalink

    Tip jar does not work yet.

  17. John A
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 10:35 PM | Permalink

    What hasn’t been worked out are the pictures and files associated with posts. That is being arranged for the new server that CA readers bought some time ago, to be called

  18. Chris R. Chapman
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 10:42 PM | Permalink

    +1 on the tip jar observation – as a lurker/observer/reader of this site since 2005, I’d like to make a contribution, esp. in light of the effort put in to migrate the content to a new server. Whenever you’re ready, so am I!

  19. George Marcom
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 10:51 PM | Permalink

    You are probably aware of this, but just in case–the “Tip Jar” logo in the upper left of your home page still links to the (now inactive) old web site.

    I did find the tip jar link at the bottom of that column and will watch for its activation. Some of us old codgers would prefer to send a paper check rather than using Paypal, BTW.

    “Blessed are the paranoid, for they shall be vindicated!”

  20. David Harrington
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 10:54 PM | Permalink

    Great news. All ready for the next breaking climate scandal

  21. Ron de Haan
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 11:16 PM | Permalink


    I have a question about the CNN interview.
    Did you and Mr. Horner heared the comments of Mr. Oppenheimer stating that Climate change was real, ocean levels were rising, icecaps and glaciers were melting and the hottest years ever happened in the first decade of this century?

    I got the impression this was blocked out to the both of you.

    Just would like to know this.

    Thanks and good luck with the “new” server.

  22. Dave Dardinger
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 11:28 PM | Permalink

    I note that at least on my computer, none of the “articles” on the sidebar work.

  23. Geoff
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 11:33 PM | Permalink

    Good to see the migration. I note many past comments are missing (for example see where it mentions 131 comments but only shows 8.

    • MrPete
      Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 11:59 AM | Permalink

      We’ve found a bug in the paged-comments feature. Occasionally, the system fails to create the links to older pages of comments.

      They’re working on a solution. If it doesn’t come out soon, we’ll have to disable paging (but that would visibly slow the whole site for everyone.)

  24. deadite
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 11:42 PM | Permalink

    Looking good. Stable! Fast! A fitting website for climateaudit….

  25. Stephen Singer
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 11:46 PM | Permalink

    Comments are paged? Link to rest at bottom? Where I don’t see it.

    What are trackbacks?

  26. geo
    Posted Dec 8, 2009 at 11:51 PM | Permalink

    Thank you to the whole team for “all you do”. I have never seen any reason to question that all of you do it for love of truth and the realization that over a period of time and developed experience you’ve become uniquely positioned to make the contributions you make in an area that desperately needs those contributions to be made.

  27. Allan
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 12:35 AM | Permalink

    Just tried the links at the old sites but received an “oop’s- link appears to be broken” message by Google.
    Then Googled Climate Audit and found you hiding here.
    This site is now saved at the top of my favourites list.

  28. Christoph
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 12:40 AM | Permalink

    You rock, Steve. You’re a gadfly demanding honesty and I think that’s the minimum standard we should hold scientists too.

    Most genuine scientists would agree, I think, which is to say that many “climate change” grant-receiving climate change scientists do not.

  29. Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 12:52 AM | Permalink

    Mazel tov!

  30. Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 2:03 AM | Permalink

    It works well, and looks fine on my Mac (in both Mozilla Firefox and Safari), thanks.

  31. Soronel Haetir
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 3:31 AM | Permalink

    One thing I notice is that comment numbering is gone. That was an extremely helpful feature for locating the last read comment in an ongoing post.

    • P Gosselin
      Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 4:45 AM | Permalink

      I agree.
      It’s one thing that has always bugged me with WordPress.
      But not wanting to come in and gripe, glad to see this new baby up and running.
      So, all hands on deck – Climategate needs to be exposed!

    • MrPete
      Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 12:01 PM | Permalink

      Numbered comments are themselves a problem on CA because comments frequently get moved to other threads, ruining the numbering scheme.

      The current way WP handles this is with threaded comments as you see here.

      What we want ultimately is to visibly link comments based on author and date, but that requires code changes which are normally prohibited.

  32. PaulM
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 4:27 AM | Permalink

    Good to see the site back up.

    Any chance of recreating the old bulletin board or something similar? It seems to have gone. I thought it was quite useful.

    Also a nice thing about the old site was that you got a preview so you could check whether you had coded bold or latex e^{i\pi} = -1 correctly.

    Some people are never satisfied!

  33. TAC
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 4:35 AM | Permalink

    Works fine and looks great!

    Also, I hopefully note that this is not the first time that CA has outgrown its servers; IIRC, it happens every couple of years with surprising regularity. Is there an organic scaling law at work here? More important, could it be a symptom of returning health in the field of climate science?


  34. jamesspooling
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 4:59 AM | Permalink

    Your site for now works fine. Some bugs that you’ve mention on your post will be fix soon as you continue to work with this project.

  35. cbullitt
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 5:16 AM | Permalink

    Welcome to the dark side.

  36. Mikey M
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 6:18 AM | Permalink

    Welcome to your new home Steve!

    Why do i feel like i am introducing my granny to her new retirement home 🙂

  37. Doug D.
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 6:40 AM | Permalink


    Could you please configure the text width values to what they are on WUWT? I use my monitor in portrait mode (768 x 1024), and the center text area for the new CA is too narrow. At the moment, there’s quite a bit of wasted space to the right of the “Recent Posts” section, so using it to enlarge the center text width shouldn’t be a problem.

    Also, because my eyesight fluctuates, I often need to enlarge the text. Doing so with the current configuration brings the left and right text margins closer together, which results in a *huge* decrease in the number of characters per line. On WUWT the left and right text margins don’t move when I enlarge the text.


    • MrPete
      Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 7:59 AM | Permalink

      Thanks for your interest, Doug!

      Anthony’s not the one handling the site layout. (Guess who is 🙂 )

      For now, we’ve simply attempted to come close to reproducing the look of the “old” CA. We’re more concerned for fixing or replacing some of the powerful elements that have long been available on CA, such as the ability to visibly link replies together even across threads, to preview replies, and so on.

      I am a bit curious what you are seeing. There should be no space at all to the right of the “Recent Posts” section (which is a small widget in the right sidebar). Perhaps you mean that there is white space on each side of the main text area?

      We will eventually look at new layouts of course. Something for you to consider: your skinny portrait-mode monitor is highly unusual today. The vast majority of users are heading toward wider (HD video) screens. Thus, if we have to choose, we’re more likely to optimize for pleasant reading on a wide screen than a skinny screen.

      • TurkeyLurkey
        Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 11:00 AM | Permalink

        Wow, you guys did a huge job to shoehorn this complex website into a ~previously ‘generic’ mold. Something tells me the mold got significantly reworked, or will be going forward.

        As another doddering fold art, of ever-decreasing visual acuity, I make frequent use of the
        {Control +} Zoom function of Mozilla. In fact I installed ‘No-Squint’, to obviate the 3 to 5 invocations of zoom I otherwise needed to see any given page.

        There seems to be 2 kinds of websites; the ones where the side columns increasingly impinge on the central (text) column of interest, and the ones that just get uniformly larger (and invoke a scroll bar at the bottom).

        Another approach to the ‘preview’ function is allowing self-edits for 30mins? Probably harder than just the preview.

        Anyway, your timely support of the Pivotal CA site has made and will continue to make a Significant Difference in the resolution of the scientific questions at hand for the world.

        I, for one, felt deprived of my otherwise reliable armor in my efforts to do battle with energetic-yet-underinformed adversaries in the ongoing intellectual jousts.

        Only you know what it took, but I hope you offer a mechanism for appreciative readers to convey substantial gratitude.

      • Doug D.
        Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 12:31 PM | Permalink

        Oops! Sorry, Pete.

        The extra space to the right of the “Recent Posts” section turned out to be a non-issue. The space only appears while posting a comment and with my monitor in portrait mode.

        The big issue for me is the rapid moving of the right and left text margins toward the middle of the page when I enlarge the text (even in landscape mode). The margins don’t move at all on WUWT. And for the longest time, Jeff Id had the same problem with tAV, but the problem has been recently corrected. Given these examples, I thought the fix for CA would be an easy one.

        I understand you have many more important things to deal with at the moment, and appreciate what you, John and Anthony are doing to get the site working again.

  38. Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 6:49 AM | Permalink

    For about six hours today I’ve been unable to connect to the new CA website. Once I was successful, all of a sudden, and was about to post this comment, but when pressing the “Post Comment” button, I got disconnected again for a few hours. During this time CA was reported as non-existent by my browser.

    I hope this comment goes through. Congratulations on the move and many thanks to all people who made it possible.

  39. bishophill
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 7:35 AM | Permalink

    Looks good. Nice to have you back.

  40. P Gosselin
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 8:12 AM | Permalink

    “Retired Canadian businessman” in yet another WSJ editorial.

  41. pjm
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 8:37 AM | Permalink

    The new site is excellent. Congratulations and thanks to all involved.

  42. Dave Dardinger
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 9:00 AM | Permalink

    I notice another thing. The picture in the new More Break-ins post in home mode overlaps the bottom bar. Not real important, but a bit ugly.

  43. m miller
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 9:00 AM | Permalink

    Will you guys continue to cast doubt on NASA’s GISS center credibility. NASA is iconic and if doubts around their data credibility are advanced this story will shake more foundations. The Saudis have called for an independent investigation aside from the IPCC. Will any one of you get involved with their approach? The Saudis hold the key to this dilemma since economically they have a lot to lose. You guys need to become more globally connected. I enjoy following your travails and triumphs.

    From a graduate student

  44. Dan the Lurker
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 9:04 AM | Permalink

    Been a CA lurker since I tripped over it several years ago. Had no idea how important this site and those who contribute to it were until last month. Some of the most entertaining reading on the Internet 😉 Much luck and thanks for the new server.

    Thanks to all for keeping up the good fight.

  45. Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 10:00 AM | Permalink

    A huge thank-you to all who worked on this. Have already put the link up on my little blog.

    Never mind the various issues still needing work – Rome wasn’t built in one day, you know!


  46. Ron Cram
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 11:22 AM | Permalink

    Congrats on the new site Steve! It looks and behaves great! Thanks to Anthony, John A and Mr. Pete for all of your work!

    I do not want another period like that when Steve is offline or hamstrung.

  47. Chris Hirst
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 11:41 AM | Permalink

    Congrats on the new site. Looking forward to learning more in the future.

    FYI, some of the formatting looks a little nasty in Firefox.

  48. Robert Arthur
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 11:49 AM | Permalink

    Mr. Pete, I know you are working on this, but one useful feature of the old site seems not to have survived the transition: automatic highlighting of Steve’s comments. When scrolling through a long comment thread, it was nice to be able to pick out Steve’s responses by the fact that they were in a different color. I assume that was a CSS thing, and I hope it eventually makes a reappearance.

    Also, I don’t know if allows for this (can you do plugins when hosting with the mothership?), but I put in a vote for comment voting. The more famous versions of it are or, as I am sure you aware. Some allow automatic comment suppression if a comment gets enough thumbs down, which is controversial. I value the opposite, to be able to skim a comment thread and only read comments that have been voted up a certain level. You miss stuff, sure… but that’s what skimming is.

    • MrPete
      Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 1:06 PM | Permalink

      No plugins at all, sorry.

      Author highlighting *should* work… we’ve got a variety of import challenges to resolve over time. I think we’ll get there on that one.

      For you tech folk: it was surprising that in the course of this conversion project (involving hundreds of MB of international text XML data) we had to discover and work around bugs in three separate systems. Even a bug in the ubiquitous Linux “sed” program. Ouch!

      • Robert Arthur
        Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 1:59 PM | Permalink

        That’s too bad about the plugins, but server load capacity is probably more important right now.

        One nice thing about converting to is that it puts all the content in a fairly standard form. If you wanted to move to a custom wordpress server in the future (through a service that can handle the loads), it would be much easier. Even a move to squarespace would be relatively easy, as I hear their wordpress import works rather well.

        • MrPete
          Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 5:22 PM | Permalink

          “wordpress import works rather well”… heh heh heh.
          The content was already in WordPress’ standard form. Even so, the conversion was not at all easy.

          It will take some time before all the content is properly loaded and linked here on…

  49. Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 12:51 PM | Permalink

    Nice job guys. I’ll miss the tools for commenting but well done.

  50. R Taylor
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM | Permalink

    Although you probably decided to leave the Lorax thread behind, I thought I would mention as the defining “children and grandchildren” diatribe.

  51. Barclay E MacDonald
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 1:04 PM | Permalink

    Thank you John A, Anthony and Mr. Pete. John A when I first started watching CA you were counting down to the first 100,000 hits. Now look at this place! What have you done? Nice work gentlemen! Contributions are in order.

  52. Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 1:14 PM | Permalink

    Here is a test post: $\alpha, \beta, \gamma$.

  53. fFreddy
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 4:37 PM | Permalink

    Much applause and thanks to Anthony, John A, MrPete and the guys for making this new site work.

    And some whinges, harrumph, user experience enhancement suggestions for when you finish the important stuff :

    # On comments, add some space between the title line (poster name, post date, etc.) and the body of the comment

    # Widen this comment box to the full width of the central column.

    # In Firefox, when I Ctrl-click on a link, usually it opens the link in a new tab and leaves the focus on the current page. Here – and on WUWT – it opens two new tabs with the linked page, and transfers focus to one of them.
    The first behaviour is far more common web-wide and I much prefer it – can we do that here ?

    My thanks again, chaps.

    • MrPete
      Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 5:19 PM | Permalink

      – Space: good suggestion.

      – Widen: it already is full-width.

      – FF ctrl-click. Works for me. Perhaps you have an unusual FF plugin?

      • fFreddy
        Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 7:34 PM | Permalink

        Width of comment box refers to the text entry box in which I am writing this comment. It is only about 2/3 the width of the comment as it appears after hitting the post button. It could also do with being a bit taller. (I always find that small comment entry boxes seem to lead to more typos.)

        Ref Ctrl-click – hurr, then I’m confused. Don’t think I have any plug-ins. Guess it’s time fo a strip and reinstall.

  54. fFreddy
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 4:39 PM | Permalink

    Regarding the threaded comments feature : surely the only way we will be able to check if we are up to date with all new comments will be to go through all pages of comments on a particular post, which will rather negate the advantage of the paging feature ?

    • MrPete
      Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 5:17 PM | Permalink

      No. AFAIK, any new comment pushes that thread to the most-recent page. At least, that’s the idea, and I saw it working correctly in some quick tests… 🙂

      • Posted Dec 10, 2009 at 5:13 AM | Permalink

        I’m afraid it does not! When replying to an older comment (as I am doing right now), the reply gets tucked to the old comment which however stays in its place way up in the thread, so later replies are bound to go unnoticed as they never appear where you expect additions (at the bottom of a thread, that is). I very much preferred the “old way” of having the newest postings always at the bottom, no matter whether they answer/add to some earlier comment or not.

        What’s worse: Even new comments (i.e. those not following-up on some earlier comment) do NOT APPEAR IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER presently. Please have a look at the “Student journalists” thread – Steve’s announcement to close the thread has the most recent time-stamp but is NOT the last message in the thread. I can see this will cause havoc with very long threds, if newly added things start to appear in mid-thread, seemingly at random. I’m definitely not going to browse through the whole of a rambling “Unthreaded” every day to find what’s new!

    • suricat
      Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 7:01 PM | Permalink


      I think Mr Pete is referring to the category in the right-hand-side column of “Recent Comments”, but I could be wrong.

      Best regards, suricat.

      • MrPete
        Posted Dec 10, 2009 at 5:58 AM | Permalink

        I was referring to the main comment column. Not everything is working correctly in comments. We’ve already found specific bugs and they’ve been working to fix them. This too shall pass… patience please!

        As an open science blogging experiment, CA has some highly unusual challenges, which is unfortunate from a support perspective:

        – Heavily threaded comments (many complex response patterns, with importance)

        – Highly topical threads requiring careful management, such that off-topic comments often get moved to other threads (thus breaking any normal numbering system)

        – High value of old threads and old comments (not just a “news” blog)

  55. Robert E. Phelan
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 6:24 PM | Permalink

    Congratulations, well-done and welcome back.

  56. Joe Crawford
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 7:44 PM | Permalink

    Great job guys… for that large of a conversion job I’d say it has gone pretty smooth (at least to us, the unwashed, hanging around as outside observers).

    When all the conversion tasks have blown over, I don’t know what you wound up with for you last server, but I’ll bet it would make a killer home PC.

  57. suricat
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 7:46 PM | Permalink

    Steve: It’s a long time since Steve_M and suricat first traded posts on the ‘old’ C4 web-site. So I see that you found the ladder to retrieve your notes from the loft! Congratulations to all on the new site facility, it’s good! However, after finding your ladder you seem to be repeating history on reading your notes.

    As you’ve discontinued the BB Forum without warning (and seemingly destroyed other people’s data, like C4 did), do you intend to initialise an ‘open thread’, or at least an ‘unthreaded’ thread, so that “free speech” continues to be recognised here?

    Best regards, suricat.

    • John M
      Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 8:02 PM | Permalink

      Is the BB forum permanently wiped out? Did I miss that message? I know it’s currently unavailable, but assumed it was low on the priority list.

      • suricat
        Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 9:33 PM | Permalink

        John M.

        I don’t know John! I think that my assumptions were the same as yours, but we need an affirmation from Steve to allay our fears.

        Best regards, suricat.

    • Anthony Watts
      Posted Dec 10, 2009 at 2:06 PM | Permalink

      The BB forum is fully intact, on the old server, and yes it is low on the priority list to get up and running again and linked here.

      Suricat, an apology to Steve for “seemingly destroyed other people’s data” would be in order.

      Steve: Let me add that the Bulletin Board is not something that I participated in or wish to continue to host. My preference would be to export it to someone who wants it if they wish to continue it under a different name.

      • suricat
        Posted Dec 10, 2009 at 10:58 PM | Permalink

        Anthony Watts.

        “The BB forum is fully intact, on the old server, and yes it is low on the priority list to get up and running again and linked here.”

        You are fully aware that the ‘old server’ is no longer ‘online’, you don’t want to host this forum and that there is no ‘link’ “here” now for this forum and it’s unlikely that you’ll provide one (or so it seems).

        Steve_M, Son of Mulder, myself and many other posters to the Channel 4 forums lost many references and contacts when the UK Channel 4 closed its Eve Community Forum! I find it hard to believe that Steve would condone a similar scenario, but without prior notice. Close a forum by all means, but the closure of a ‘community’ is something else!

        “Suricat, an apology to Steve for “seemingly destroyed other people’s data” would be in order.”

        I don’t think so Anthony! Steve knows that if an apology is due, it’ll be given. If other peoples data isn’t available, it’s as good as ‘destroyed’ because it just isn’t there!


        Steve: Puh-leeze. We;ve had a lot to do and the BB is low on the priority list. I’m quite content to export it to interested parties provided that they change the name.

        • suricat
          Posted Dec 11, 2009 at 11:10 PM | Permalink

          Sorry! I thought you wanted a dialogue!

          Though, I’m not sure who I’m responding to here.

          Best regards, suricat.

        • MrPete
          Posted Dec 12, 2009 at 1:30 AM | Permalink

          Patience is all you need.

          We had to take down the old server in rapid fashion, to get CA up and running here.

          It’s going to take some time to put the other bits of stuff back together again.

          Nobody’s going to delete the data. Where the forum eventually shows up… remains to be seen.

  58. Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 8:43 PM | Permalink

    Welcome to WordPress !!

  59. pete
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 10:24 PM | Permalink

    There’s a whole lot of broken links to some of the old “climate2003” work.

    (e.g. from this post)

  60. Tom T
    Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 11:47 PM | Permalink

    congratulations on the move. I think you have your priorities wrong, get the tip jar working first.

  61. Posted Dec 9, 2009 at 11:56 PM | Permalink

    I tried to load RSS into my feeds page at Opit’s LinkFest! on My Opera Dec9 – 945 pm MST. It quit at ‘The Last Two Weeks’ post ; nothing more recent.

  62. Posted Dec 10, 2009 at 12:03 AM | Permalink

    Overall, very nice but one thing missing is the numbering on comments.

  63. CO2 Realist
    Posted Dec 10, 2009 at 12:59 AM | Permalink

    Great job Anthony, Steve, and anyone else who helped. Moving something this big while online is quite an accomplishment. I’m sure many put in long hours making it work.

  64. fFreddy
    Posted Dec 10, 2009 at 9:30 AM | Permalink

    Hi, MrPete
    Ref : your comment number 207840 above, yes, fully accept your points about the challenging nature of this site, and I hope that all suggestions are taken in the spirit in which they are offered, that of a humble supplicant before the wizard…

    Regarding numbers and threads, Climateaudit tried threading a few years ago and Steve switched it off within a few days.
    While there used to be some problems with numbering due to deleting or moving posts, these were still less of a hassle than the unnumbered threading approach.

    Two minor suggestions :
    Is it possible to add a (sequentially increasing) number to the front of each comment text at the point when we hit the ‘Post’ button ? This would do away with being dependent on a number that is regenerated each time the database gets a list of all comments on a particular post, and would be invariant with deletions/moves of comments further up the list.

    Alternatively, I notice that the Permalink on each comment’s first line has a link containing a six digit number – presumably, the comment’s global unique identifier. Would it be possible for the visible text here to be the comment number, rather than the text ‘Permalink’ ?

    Incidentally, when I say “minor suggestions” above, naturally what I mean is “potentially damfool suggestions unburdened by the slightest knowledge of how this blogging engine thingy works”, so do feel free to suggest that I avail myself of a taxidermist.

    P.S. This comment text entry box is still too short and only two thirds the width of the central column, whimper, grizzle, whine …

    • MrPete
      Posted Dec 12, 2009 at 1:35 AM | Permalink

      If/when we find a way to modify the HTML of the blog, there are lots of things we can do, including
      – restore paste link
      – sort threads so most recent comments are together (even if threaded!)
      – restore helper buttons on the reply box

      But we can’t do any of that yet. ALL your suggestions (and many others) require code changes. We simply cannot do that. Not yet. Stay tuned 🙂

      • fFreddy
        Posted Dec 12, 2009 at 2:24 AM | Permalink

        No problem – and my thanks again for all your work here.

  65. Robert Arthur
    Posted Dec 10, 2009 at 12:07 PM | Permalink

    Mr Pete, I was having a problem replying, and I discovered that the Firefox plugin “Adblock Plus” is blocking calls to I added an exception, reloaded the page, and the comment post fields appear as expected.

    Skimlinks is an affiliate marketing program, so that’s why it’s on the Adblock list. Anybody using Adblock is going to have the same problem, because it is on the generic block list. That same block list will probably be used in Chrome, as well.

    That’s the only blocked item on this page, and it’s because it is being served by the domain. Here’s the full URL that is being called for that JS library:

    I don’t know what else is in that library, but it certainly contains the code used for posting comments. When it was blocked, the comment fields refused to appear. Perhaps it could be hosted somewhere else? That domain is a blocklist magnet.

    • Robert Arthur
      Posted Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 PM | Permalink

      I should add that the “generic blocklist” that I referred to is rick752’s EasyList, which is offered as a default in every Adblock Plus install.

      But that’s not the biggest problem… these blocklists tend to “borrow” from each other. So, if is on one, it’s probably on others. That URL may not only be blocked by Adblock Plus, but also by corporate and personal firewalls with “safe browsing” features.

    • MrPete
      Posted Dec 10, 2009 at 12:19 PM | Permalink

      Which Adblock Plus options/subscriptions do you use? Mine doesn’t have that in its filter.

      We ARE seeing this complaint from other users, so I know you are not alone.

      • Robert Arthur
        Posted Dec 10, 2009 at 12:41 PM | Permalink

        I just use the EasyList, which is offered as a default when you do an install of Adblock Plus. That’s the only one I’ve ever needed. I have some custom block filters, but if you scroll down the list of blocks in the subscriptions, you can see is on there. My filters are current, updated 12/10/09. You can find details about the EasyList at

      • MrPete
        Posted Dec 10, 2009 at 12:49 PM | Permalink

        We have users seeing the same thing, not using AdBlock Plus at all.

        Would appreciate responses from any others who have/had the issue. Obviously it is hard to reply if you can’t see the comment box! Just send a message to Webbed dot Pete at gmail

        • Robert Arthur
          Posted Dec 10, 2009 at 3:49 PM | Permalink

          There are dozens of “safe browsing” products on the market, to combat spyware and adware. Some are at the browser level, like Adblock Plus. Some are at the machine level, and others are at the router or firewall level. They all use some form of blocklist. Individual users may not be aware of the variety of products they may be going through to access the web.

          Like I said before, if is on one blocklist, it is probably on others.

        • Robert Arthur
          Posted Dec 10, 2009 at 4:37 PM | Permalink

          Sorry to be a pest, but I just thought of this and I though I should post it before I have to run out the door… you could fix this problem if you hosted wordpress.js on the old climateaudit server. It’s a 4k file, and it appears to only be called when someone wants to use the comment box. The traffic shouldn’t be too bad.

          That way, the page would not be trying to execute code from outside the primary domain, like it is doing now.

        • MrPete
          Posted Dec 12, 2009 at 1:32 AM | Permalink

          1) The problem should be fixed for everyone
          2) We cannot change ANY code on this server. So we cannot host a *.js file on the old server. Sad but true.

          There are some other possible workarounds however… we’ve not given up 🙂

        • Robert Arthur
          Posted Dec 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM | Permalink

          Yep, the references to code at are gone. Nice work. It would be interesting to hear how calls to an affiliate marketing system got into the page coding in the first place, but I’m sure you have better things to do.

          I’ve never hosted anything at, so I’m guess I am spoiled by the ability to change everything. You are limited to changing CSS, right?

          You probably know about these already, but I couldn’t live without two Firefox addons: ColorZilla and Web Developer. The Web Developer addon, in particular, saves you a lot of time when tweaking CSS.

  66. Dave Dardinger
    Posted Dec 10, 2009 at 1:12 PM | Permalink

    I still get a “can’t find” message on MM2003 and Reply to Von Storch in the articles. The rest of them are ok.

  67. Bob Koss
    Posted Dec 10, 2009 at 3:07 PM | Permalink

    I see the recent comments list is becoming infested with links to external sites.

    Perhaps a check of the URL prior to being added to the list would cure the problem.

  68. Rod Fabian
    Posted Dec 10, 2009 at 4:37 PM | Permalink

    I can’t find any of the scripts mentioned in Station Data or Gridded Data pages. I’ve been dying to look at that again since Watt’s post about the Darwin stations.

    • MrPete
      Posted Dec 11, 2009 at 7:35 AM | Permalink

      Hint: as a temporary workaround, change any link that references to reference the same place at

  69. MrPete
    Posted Dec 11, 2009 at 7:37 AM | Permalink

    Some more fixes are in place.
    * Everyone should be able to see the comment reply box.
    * Author comments should all have their special color.
    * Text fonts and spacing have been cleaned up a bit.

  70. Daryl M
    Posted Dec 11, 2009 at 11:31 AM | Permalink


    Congratulations on your new site. It’s an important milestone in the history of CA. The new site is so much faster than the old one. It’s a huge improvement. Thanks to all who made this happen.

    I have some minor comments:

    Occasionally text seems to overwritten. You can see this by making the browser window narrow.

    Threaded mode is great for showing context of posts, but it makes it very hard to keep up on the latest posts. Is there a way to do that other than scrolling through the entire thread?

    I miss the aids for formatting posts. Can it be done? If so, how.

  71. Posted Jan 6, 2010 at 9:47 AM | Permalink

    Looking Gift Horse in Mouth Department:

    The threaded comments are a useful feature, but they make it hard to review the latest comments on a long topic.

    Would it be possible for the viewer to have the option of sorting the comments either by thread or by time? Or at least to assign comments sequential numbers as in the past?

    Steve: Install CA Assistant. It gives chrono threads.

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