Mann’s Other Nature Trick

In today’s post, I will report on some excellent work on MBH98 by Hampus Soderqvist, who discovered an important but previously unknown Mike’s Nature Trick: Mann’s list of proxies  for AD1400 and other early steps was partly incorrect (Nature link now dead – but see  NOAA or here).  Mann’s AD1400 list included four series that were not actually used (two French tree ring series and two Moroccan tree ring series), while it omitted four series that were actually used.  This also applied to his AD1450 and AD1500 steps.  Mann also used an AD1650 step that was not reported.

Soderqvist’s discovery has an important application.

The famous MBH98 reconstruction was a splice of 11 different stepwise reconstructions with steps ranging from AD1400 to AD1820. The proxy network in the AD1400 step (after principal components) consisted 22 series, increasing to 112 series (after principal components) in the AD1820 step.  Mann reported several statistics for the individual steps, but, as discussed over and over, withheld the important verification r2 statistic.  By withholding the results of the individual steps, Mann made it impossible for anyone to carry out routine statistical tests on his famous reconstruction.

However, by reverse engineering of the actual content of each network, Soderqvist was also able to calculate each step of the reconstruction – exactly matching each subset in the spliced reconstruction.  Soderqvist placed his results online at his github site a couple of days ago and I’ve collated the results and placed them online here as well.  Thus, after almost 25 years, the results of the individual MBH98 steps are finally available.

Remarkably, Soderqvist’s discovery of the actual composition of the AD1400 (and other early networks) sheds new light on the controversy about principal components that animated Mann’s earliest realclimate articles – on December 4, 2004 as realclimate was unveiled. Both articles were attacks on us (McIntyre and McKitrick) while our GRL submission was under review and while Mann was seeking to block publication. Soderqvist’s work shows that some of Mann’s most vehement claims were untrue, but, oddly, untrue in a way that was arguably unhelpful to the argument that he was trying to make. It’s quite weird.

Soderqvist is a Swedish engineer, who, as @detgodehab, discovered a remarkable and fatal flaw in the “signal-free” tree ring methodology used in PAGES2K (see X here).  Soderqvist had figured this out a couple of years ago. But I was unaware of this until a few days ago when Soderqvist mentioned it in comments on a recent blog article on MBH98 residuals.

The Stepwise Reconstructions

Mann et al (1998) reported that the reconstruction consisted of 11 steps and, in the original SI (current link), reported the number of proxies (some of which were principal component series) for each step – 112 in the AD1820 network and 22 in the AD1400 network.  As we later observed, the table of verification statistics did not include Mann’s verification r2 results. Verification r2 is one of the most commonly used statistics and is particularly valuable as a check against overfitting in the calibration period.

Although Mann claimed statistical “skill” for each of the eleven steps, he did not archive results of the 11 individual step reconstructions. In 2003, we sought these results, ultimately filing a formal complaint with Nature. But, to its continuing discredit, Nature supported Mann’s withholding of these results.  Despite multiple investigations and litigations, Mann has managed to withhold these results for over 25 years.

Nor did Mann’s original SI list the proxies used in each step.  In April 2003, I asked Mann for the location of the FTP site containing the data used in MBH98.  Mann replied that he had forgotten the location but his associate Scott Rutherford would respond. Subsequently, Rutherford directed to me to a location on Mann’s FTP site which contained a collation of 112 proxies (datestamped July 2002), of which many were principal component series of various tree ring networks. It’s a long story that I’ve told many times. In the 1400-1449 period of Rutherford’s collation, there were 22 “proxies” including two North American PCs.

In October 2003 (after asking Mann to confirm that the data provided by Rutherford was the data actually used in MBH98), we published our first criticism of MBH98. Mann said that we had used the “wrong” data and should have asked for the right data. Mann also provided David Appell with a link to a previously unreported directory at Mann’s FTP site, most of which was identical to the directories in the Climategate zipfile that Soderqvist subsequently used. This FTP location was dead from at least 2005 on and there is no record of it in the Wayback Machine. (Its robots.txt file appears to have prevented indexing.)  At the time, Mann also said that MBH98 had used 159 series, not 112 series.  We asked Mann to identify the 159 series. Mann refused. (There was much other controversy).

Ultimately, we filed a Materials Complaint with Nature asking them, inter alia, to (1) require Mann to identify the 159 series actually used in MBH98  and (2) provide the results of the individual steps (described as “experiments” in the SI).  Nature, to its shame, refused to require Mann to provide the results of the individual steps (which remain withheld to this day), but did require him to provide a list of the proxies used in each step.   In the AD1400 network, it included the four French and Moroccan tree ring series and two North American PCs. This list was published in July 2004 and has been relied on in subsequent replication efforts.

Although Mann refused to provide results of individual steps, the archived reconstruction (link) is a splice of the 11 steps, using the results of the latest step where available. Its values between 1400 and 1449 thus provides a 50-year glimpse of the AD1400 reconstruction. This is a long enough period to test whether any proposed replication is exact. (I recently noticed that the Dirty Laundry data in the Climategate archive provides a second glimpse of values between 1902 and 1980 for the AD1400 and AD1600 networks.)

At different times, McIntyre-McKitrick, Wahl-Ammann and Climate Audit readers Jean S and UC tried to exactly replicate the individual steps in the spliced MBH98 results, but none of us succeeded. When Wahl-Ammann published their code, I was able to reconcile their results to our results to five nines accuracy within a few days of their code release (e.g. link, link). It ought to have been possible to exactly reconcile to MBH98 results, but none of us could do so. The figure below (from May 2005) shows the difference between the Wahl-Ammann version and MBH98 version. At times, the differences are up to 1 sigma.  To be clear, the shape of the replication – given MBH data and methods – was close to MBH98 values, but there was no valid reason why it couldn’t be replicated exactly and, given the effort to get to this point, each of us wanted to finish the puzzle.

In 2006, Wegman wryly observed  that, rather than replicating Mann and disproving us, Wahl and Ammann had reproduced our calculations.

Around 2007, Jean S and UC both tried unsuccessfully to replicate the MBH98 steps. I had posted up scripts in R in 2003 and 2005. UC posted up a clean script in Matlab for MBH replication. Eventually, Jean S speculated that Mann’s list of proxies must be incorrect, but we all eventually gave up.

A few years ago, Soderqvist noticed UC’s script for MBH98 and began reverse engineering experiments in which he augmented the AD1400 network with other candidate proxies available in the Climategate documents (mbh-osborn.zip).  This included many series that were not available in the Nature, NOAA or Penn State supplementary information (but, at one time, had been in the now dead UVA archive that had been temporarily available in late 2003 and early 2004, but unavailable in the SI,)

In October 2021, Soderqvist had determined Mann that the AD1400 and AD1450 proxy lists were incorrect and contacted Mann pointing out the errors and required corrections to the SI:

For the AD 1400 and AD 1450 steps, the reconstruction is not a linear combination of the archived proxies. The correct proxy lists can be determined by adding available proxies until the reconstruction is in their linear span. It turns out that PCs 3 to 6 of the NOAMER network have been replaced with proxies that were not used in these time steps. For comparison, the follow-up paper “Long-term variability in the El Niño/Southern Oscillation and associated teleconnections” lists the first six PCs (table 1, entries 89-94).

There is also an undocumented AD 1650 step with its own set of proxies. It is just the AD 1600 set with some additional proxies.

Instead of issuing a Corrigendum or otherwise correcting the SI, Mann and associates buried the information deep in a Penn State archive (see link).  The covering text cited Soderqvist, together with Wahl and Ammann, as “two emulations” of the MBH98 reconstruction, ostentatiously failing to mention our original emulation of the MBH98 reconstruction (which exactly reconciled to the later Wahl-Ammann version: see link; link) or emulations by UC or Jean S, on which Soderqvist had relied.

Two more years passed.

Earlier this year, I corresponded with and collaborated with Soderqvist (@detgodehab on Twitter) on his remarkable discovery of a fatal flaw in the popular “signal-free” tree ring methodology used in PAGES2K and now widely popular (see X here).

A few days ago, I posted a thread on MBH98 residuals (link) in which I observed that several datasets connected with notorious Dirty Laundry email contained 1902-1980 excerpts from MBH98 AD1400 and AD1600 steps that had not been previously identified as such.  Soderqvist commented on the thread, pointing out (in passing) a quirky Mannian error in calculation of average temperatures that no one had noticed in the previous 25 years.

Impressed once again by his reverse engineering acumen, I posed (or thought that I was posing) the longstanding mystery of reverse engineering the actual list of MBH98 proxies used in the AD1400 step as something that might interest him.  I even suggested that the NOAMER PC3 might be involved somehow (on the basis that it was used in the AD1000 step and might have been used in AD1400 step.)

AS it turned out, Soderqvist had not only thought about the problem, but figured it out. And the PC3 was involved.

The information at his github site showed that four series listed in the SI but not actually used were two French tree ring series and two Moroccan tree ring series.  They were also listed in the AD1450 and AD1500 networks, but do not appear to have been actually used until the AD1600 network.

A few days ago, Soderqvist archived the results of the individual steps at his github (see link here). I checked his AD1400 results against the 1400-1449 excerpt in the splice version and the 1902-1980 excerpt in the Dirty Laundry data and the match was exact.  I’ve additionally collated his results are collected into an xlsx spreadsheet in a second archive here: https://climateaudit.files.wordpress.com/2023/11/recon_mbh-1.xlsx.

So, after all these years, we finally have the values for the individual MBH98 steps that Mann and Nature refused to provide so many years ago.

New Light on An Old Dispute

But there’s another reason why this particular error in listing proxies (claiming use of two North America PCs, rather than the six PCs actually used) intrigued me.

During the original controversy, Mann did not merely list use of two NOAMER PCs in obscure Supplementary Information: he vehemently and repeatedly asserted that he had used two North American PCs in the AD1400 because that was the “correct” number to use under “application of the standard selection rules”. It was a preoccupation at the opening of Realclimate in December 2014, when Mann was attempting block publication of our submission to GRL.

For example, the very first article (scroll through 2004 archives to page 9 link) in the entire Realclimate archive, dated November 22, 2004 – almost three weeks before Realclimate opened to the public on December 10, 2004 – is entitled PCA Details: PCA of the 70 North American ITRDB tree-ring proxy series used by Mann et al (1998). Mann stated that two North American PCs were used in the AD1400 network based on “application of the standard selection rules” applied to short-centered data:

Realclimate opened on December 10, 2004 (link) and, on opening, featured two attacks on us by Mann (link; link) entitled False Claims by McIntyre and McKitrick regarding the Mann et al (1998) reconstruction and Myth vs Fact Regarding the “Hockey Stick“.   Both were dated December 4, 2004.  Mann cited our Nature submission as the target of his animus.

In these earliest Realclimate articles, (link; link) Mann vehemently asserted (linking back to the PCA Details article) that they had used two PC series in the MBH98 AD1400 network by application of Preisendorfer’s Rule N to principal components calculated using “MBH98 centering” i.e. Mann’s incorrect short centering:

The MBH98 reconstruction is indeed almost completely insensitive to whether the centering convention of MBH98 (data centered over 1902-1980 calibration interval) or MM (data centered over the 1400-1971 interval) is used. Claims by MM to the contrary are based on their failure to apply standard ‘selection rules’ used to determine how many Principal Component (PC) series should be retained in the analysis. Application of the standard selection rule (Preisendorfer’s “Rule N’“) used by MBH98, selects 2 PC series using the MBH98 centering convention, but a larger number (5 PC series) using the MM centering convention.

In an early Climate Audit article (link), I tested every MBH98 tree ring and step using Preisendorfer’s Rule N and was unable to replicate the numbers of retained PCs reported in the SI using that rule.

Soderqvist’s discovery that MBH98 used six North American PCs not only refutes Mann’s claim that he used two North American PCs, but refutes his claim that he used Preisendorfer’s Rule N to select two PCs.  Soderqvist’s discovery raises a new question: how did Mann decide to retain six North American PCs in the AD1400: it obviously wasn’t Preisendorfer’s Rule N. So what was the procedure? Mann has never revealed it.

Subsequent to the original controversy, I’ve written many Climate Audit posts on properties of principal components calculations, including (some of what I regard as the most interesting) Climate Audit posts on Chaldni patterns arising from principal components applied to spatially autocorrelated tree ring series.  The takeaway is that, for a large-scale temperature reconstruction, one should not use any PCs below the PC1.  The reason is blindingly obvious once stated: the PC2 and lower PCs contain negative signs for approximately half the locations i.e. they flip the “proxies” upside down.  If the tree ring data are indeed temperature “proxies”,  they should be used in the correct orientation. Thus, no need for lower order PCs. In many important cases, the PC1 is similar to a simple average of the series.  Lower order PCs tend to be contrasts between regional groupings.  In the North American network, southeastern US cypress form a grouping that is identifiable in the PC5 (centered) and, needless to say, the stripbark bristlecones form another distinct grouping.

He then observed that, under MM05 (correct) centering, the “hockey stick” pattern appeared in the PC4.  For the subsequent inverse regression step of MBH98 methodology, it didn’t matter whether the hockey stick pattern appeared in the PC1; inclusion even as a PC4 was sufficient to impart a hockey stick shape to the resulting reconstruction:

Although not disclosed by MM04, precisely the same ‘hockey stick’ PC pattern appears using their convention, albeit lower down in the eigenvalue spectrum (PC#4) (Figure 1a). If the correct 5 PC indicators are used, rather than incorrectly truncating at 2 PCs (as MM04 have done), a reconstruction similar to MBH98 is obtained

Being a distinct regional pattern does not prove that the pattern is a temperature proxy.  “Significance” under Rule N is, according to Preisendorfer himself, merely a “attention getter, a ringing bell… a signal to look deeper, to test further”.  See our discussion of Preisendorfer here.

The null hypothesis of a dominant variance selection rule [such as Rule N] says that Z is generated by a random process of some specified form, for example a random process that generates equal eigenvalues of the associated scatter [covariance] matrix S…  One may only view the rejection of a null hypothesis as an attention getter, a ringing bell, that says: you may have a non-random process generating your data set Z. The rejection is a signal to look deeper, to test further.

Our response has always been that the relevant question was not whether the hockey stick pattern of the stripbark bristlecones was a distinctive pattern within the North American tree ring network, but whether this pattern was local and specialized, as opposed to an overall property; and, if local to stripbark bristlecones, whether the stripbark bristlecones were magic world thermometers. The 2006 NAS panel recommended that stripbark bristlecones be avoided in temperature reconstructions, but their recommendation was totally ignored.  They continued in use in Mann et al 2008, PAGES2K and many other canonical reconstructions, none of which are therefore independent of Mann et al 1998-99.

While most external attention on MBH98 controversy has focussed on principal component issues, when I reviewed the arc of Climate Audit posts in 2007-2008 prior to Climategate, they were much more focused on questions pertaining to properties of the inverse regression step subsequent to the principal components calculation and, in particular, to overfitting issues arising from inverse regression.  Our work on these issues got sidetracked by Climategate, but there is a great deal of interesting material that deserves to be followed up on.

46 Comments

  1. igsy
    Posted Nov 24, 2023 at 4:27 PM | Permalink | Reply

    What a story this has been! It must feel good to get closure on this particular important issue, Steve.

  2. Posted Nov 24, 2023 at 6:42 PM | Permalink | Reply

    An amazing detective story spanning a quarter of a century.

    A question: Does this apply to the M2008 paper that I analyzed in the post below?

    Kill It With Fire

    Very well done to all!

    w.

  3. hs
    Posted Nov 25, 2023 at 2:14 AM | Permalink | Reply

    Nice presentation of the facts. Thanks for this.

    So to summarize the AD 1400 proxy network, the 22 records are distributed as follows (archived network in parentheses):

    North America: 12 (8)
    South America: 5 (5)
    Europe: 2 (4)
    Asia: 2 (2)
    Australia: 1 (1)
    Africa: 0 (2)

    According to the paper, PCA was used to even out the spatial distribution of the proxy data. The archived network is more appropriate in this respect.

  4. Posted Nov 25, 2023 at 11:05 AM | Permalink | Reply

    From ignorance, I don’t understand how Principal Components of a signal can be calculated and then used separately. As I see it, if 5 PCs are retained, for example, the only signal that should be used should always be the combination of those 5 PCs, respecting their weight in the combined signal. If you use PCs on their own you don’t respect the weights of the PCs and you are making up signals. That is the way I understand Preisendorfer’s Rule. PCs on their own are an invention, a nonexistent signal that is used simply because the shape is convenient for obtaining a hockey stick, but they are not “real” signals.

    Congratulations on all this research work.

    • patfrank01
      Posted Nov 25, 2023 at 12:50 PM | Permalink | Reply

      You put your finger on the crux of the true problem, Vicente. Principal components are numerical constructs. They’re not physical signals at all.

      And yet, all of climate so-called science has ignored this truth for at least 30 years.

      • michael hart
        Posted Nov 26, 2023 at 1:55 PM | Permalink | Reply

        From a probably greater level of ignorance than Vincente claims, for me, this still boils down to fooling the audience with some mathematics they are not familiar with.

        The bulk of the population have difficulty distinguishing between the median and the mean.
        No big insult intended. What is the correct metric? It is often highly disputable.

        It wasn’t difficult for Mann to go beyond the mathematical-ken of many climate scientists.
        Big insult is intended.

    • Stephen McIntyre
      Posted Nov 25, 2023 at 1:12 PM | Permalink | Reply

      check out old Climate Audit posts on overfitting. It was not raised as an issue in our 2005 articles, but emerged as an issue in subsequeny Climate Audit analysis
      The attention on principal components has distracted from this issue.

  5. Fred Harwood
    Posted Nov 25, 2023 at 1:03 PM | Permalink | Reply

    Impressive work!

  6. Robert
    Posted Nov 25, 2023 at 3:34 PM | Permalink | Reply

    So interesting after all these years. Hard to believe it was almost 20 years ago when I first discovered this blog and looked forward every week to all the great work Steve was doing unravelling this convoluted tale. Hard to believe that the climate science community still remains so opaque and defensive.

  7. dfhunter
    Posted Nov 25, 2023 at 4:13 PM | Permalink | Reply

    Thanks to Steve & especially digging by Soderqvist.

    good example of what Climate Audit readers can & do contribute.

    ps – Steve – know you have pretty much abandoned the web site, but it still has relevance & nice to see it back in action 🙂

  8. John S.
    Posted Nov 25, 2023 at 6:05 PM | Permalink | Reply

    As is well known from Fourier theory, given a high enough number of basis functions, virtually any time series of limited duration can be closely synthesized mathematically. But, unless those basis functions can be rigorously tied to physical explanations, that doesn’t constitute anything physical. It’s simply an analytical device.

  9. hs
    Posted Nov 26, 2023 at 3:02 AM | Permalink | Reply

    In the “PCA details” post on RealClimate, the fraction of variance explained by the n:th PC was calculated as σ_n²/Σσ_i². This, however, is only valid for conventional PCA. If we entertain the idea that short-centered PCA has some merit, this expression must be modified to take into account the different variances of the left singular vectors. The correct expression is σ_n²*Var(u_n)/Σ(σ_i²*Var(u_i)). Only for properly centered data does it simplify.

    Equivalently, one can multiply the covariance matrix S by the n:th right singular vector and divide by the trace of S, like so: v_n^T*S*v_n/tr(S). This formula applies to any orthogonal transformation V of the data.

    I doubt the first short-centered PC really explains 38% of the total variance. IMO the tabulated values shouldn’t have been used as input in Preisendorfer’s Rule N or any other retention rule, even if short-centered PCA were a valid procedure.

    • hs
      Posted Nov 26, 2023 at 12:10 PM | Permalink | Reply

      The NOAMER/BACKTO_1400/ directory contains 15 singular vectors and all 70 singular values. Except for the first singular vector, they are all pretty much centered and thus have a variance close to the expected 1/580. Therefore the true variance explained by short-centered PC1 can be estimated as

      σ_1²*Var(u_1)/[σ_1²*Var(u_1)+(σ_2²+…+σ_70²)*1/580] = 14.5%

      That looks plausible.

      • hs
        Posted Nov 26, 2023 at 3:28 PM | Permalink | Reply

        It was a pretty good estimate. The correct value is 14.6%.

        • igsy
          Posted Nov 27, 2023 at 4:59 AM | Permalink

          Brilliant. So simple and obvious when one sees it, but your way of looking at it never once occurred to me in the last 20 years since I first read about the controversy in the Wall Street Journal.

        • hs
          Posted Nov 27, 2023 at 3:59 PM | Permalink

          Thanks. 🙂 It took a little thinking.

      • Stephen McIntyre
        Posted Nov 27, 2023 at 8:37 PM | Permalink | Reply

        Nice

  10. ralph ellis
    Posted Nov 26, 2023 at 3:58 AM | Permalink | Reply

    Dendrothermology and dendrochronology are pseudo-science.

    a. Tree-rings are hopeless as temperature sensors. Tree-ring thickness is determined by moisture, nutrients, canopy cover, disease, pests – and lastly by temperature. To say that tree-ring thickness is directly proportional to temperature is a complete nonsense. A very hot but very dry summer will produce thin rings (ie: cold dendrothermology temperatures). The best tree for dendrothermology would be the willow, but they don’t use those.

    b. Furthermore, you can find thick and thin rings within different radii ON THE SAME TREE. The 4 o’clock ‘temperature’ data may well be completely different to the 12 o’clock temperature data. The core-borers that provide the ring-data are only 1 cm in diameter, so they only provide a small snap-shot of the tree circumference, and cannot see nor evaluate the fat and thin ring segments within the same tree. The methodology is so unreliable, that any climate research including dendro-temperatures should be thrown out. (Note: The IPCC removed Michael Mann’s dendrothermology hockey-stick graph, because it was shown to be fraudulent – they hid the 20th century decline in temperatures that the tree-ring data gave….! This was known as the ‘Hide the Decline’ scandal in the Climate-gate emails. I can show you the email.)

    c. However, this unreliability also calls into question Dendrochronology. If tree-growth is effected more by local conditions – moisture, nutrients, canopy cover and pests – then you cannot compare an ancient ship’s timber to a reference tree that may have grown many hundreds or thousands of miles away (ie: the Californian bristle-cone pine or Irish bog-oak dendro-data).
    There can be no comparison, because you cannot even compare two cores from the same tree! Take a look at the full circumference of a tree, and you will find rings of all shapes and sizes, around the full circumference. And all kinds of ring widths even in adjacent trees. So how can you compare a ship’s timber with a bristle-cone pine in California – when you cannot even compare that timber with a timber taken from the very same tree??

    Dendrochronology is snake-oil science, and always has been.
    That is why they always ask for a rough archaeological date, before they date a sample.

    Ralph

    • Posted Nov 26, 2023 at 9:57 PM | Permalink | Reply

      Ralph, even if you stop short of dismissing dendrochronology as having merit as a dating technique for one skilled in the art, all must agree that dendropaleoclimatetology has no scientific validation as you explain and others like Craig Loehle have published. The “divergence problem” is a cute label for a falsifiability problem.

      • ralfellis
        Posted Nov 27, 2023 at 4:28 AM | Permalink | Reply

        For those unaware, the Divergence Problem states that tree-rings faithfully record temperature up until 1950, and then they stop recording temperatures….

        And if you believe that one, I have a bridge to sell you.

        R

    • antonk2
      Posted Nov 27, 2023 at 10:34 PM | Permalink | Reply

      @ ralfellis

      No need to throw the dendrochronology baby, a popular tool with Medieval Archeologists away with the dendrothermology bathwater. The former just count rings of dug up Oak planks -ok trying to find one section of overlapping patterns from archive to calibrate – while the latter ties climate temperature conclusions to the gamut of different ring sizes over complete tree girth. There are too many other factors at play in ring width like precipitation, site location, slope direction etc. to isolate temperature correctly. A bit like digital counting versus analog pattern interpretation.

      • ralfellis
        Posted Nov 28, 2023 at 1:43 PM | Permalink | Reply

        The trouble with dendrochronology, is the local or regional nature of tree-ring growth.

        For dendrochronology to work tree growth must be climatic across continents, because the reference trees are as diverse as Irish bog trees, and American bristlecone pines. So your timber from France, must be matched up with timber from Ireland.

        However, if tree-ring growth is regional, say to England and/or France separately, then no comparison can be made.

        Worse still, if tree-ring growth has considerable variation even within one forest or within one tree-trunk (as many tree do), then no comparison can be made at all.

        You don’t know if your ship’s timber came from the middle or edge of the forest. And you don’t know if your timber was from the south side or north side of the tree-trunk. So how can anyone match this unknown timber from fertile France, with a bristle-cone pine up in the semi-desert highlands of North America.

        R

      • joethenonclimatescientist
        Posted Dec 18, 2023 at 10:36 AM | Permalink | Reply

        currently reading book on the history of climate published in the late 1990’s. so somewhat old (as climate science goes). A few points made in the book
        A) Wine harvests in europe since the 1500’s is well documented, wine harvests varied considerably with rain being a major factor and rain being very localized vs continental wide, where as temps tended to be continental wide and longer term.
        B) tree ring growth for most species of trees is both rain and temperature sensitive and very sensitive to only for 3-4 months. Some tree species are very sensitive to rain in late summer months, and neutral for other factors for the rest of the year, some species are very sensitive to temp, but only for a couple of months a year. Due to which factor is dominate for a species, often two different species located in proximate will have opposite orientation for the same year simply because the dominate factor is different at different times of the same year.

  11. Posted Nov 26, 2023 at 11:07 AM | Permalink | Reply

    What a long road! I can’t follow the math exactly, will need to review basic statistics to get a handle on this. Shouldn’t this be discussed by all “climate scientists”? At least talked about and perhaps refuted? If silence is the response from Mann and associates then it’s clear to me the hockey stick has been one of the greatest failures in science of all time. Thank you Steve for staying with this for so long.

    • Jeff Alberts
      Posted Nov 30, 2023 at 11:16 AM | Permalink | Reply

      IMHO, there’s another word that’s MUCH more appropriate than “failure”.

  12. somewhatfast
    Posted Nov 26, 2023 at 3:24 PM | Permalink | Reply

    Typo in “onus”.

  13. ironargonaut
    Posted Nov 27, 2023 at 1:41 AM | Permalink | Reply

    “Verification r2 is one of the most commonly used statistics and is particularly valuable as a check against overfitting in the calibration period.” So, where they overfitted? I read the whole article but am not sure the of the answer?

    • Stephen McIntyre
      Posted Nov 27, 2023 at 9:55 AM | Permalink | Reply

      Not discussed in this article. Discussed many years ago in multiple posts, but an underdiscussed topic that I’m going to review.

  14. Joe Brown
    Posted Nov 27, 2023 at 10:44 AM | Permalink | Reply

    This is a little off topic, but I would like to thank Mr. McIntyre for his website and analysis. Years ago, I was trying to learn ‘R’ and use it to analyze data at work. I was not particularly interested in Climate. I found climateaudit.org and was very happy to see the quality of discussion as well as the open discussion of the ‘R’ code. I am now retired and have moved on from ‘R’, but still have a very skeptical interest in current climate policy.

  15. Stephen McIntyre
    Posted Nov 27, 2023 at 12:29 PM | Permalink | Reply

    While re-visiting the MBH98 PCs in light of this new information, I re-visited and solved a strange MBH98 puzzle. MBH98 also used the PC1 from the Stahle SWM network. The original SI listed 11 sites, but their locations were not reported in the original SI. (The locations of 10 sites could be deduced, but not the 11th.) In the Corrigendum, locations were given for 10 sites but not for the mysterious 11th site, of which the Corrigendum stated:

    2. Series used by MBH98 but not listed in Supplementary Information(2):
    Unspecified Southwest U.S./Mexico Density series (Stahle Pers. Comm.)
    Unspecified Southwest U.S./Mexico Latewood Width series (Stahle Pers. Comm.)

    It turns out that there is no 11th site. The two mystery MBH series swmxdfew11 and swmxdflw11 are averages of three other MBH versions of Stahle SWM series: 1 (Spruce Canyon CO), 2 (Ditch Canyon B NM) and 3 (Pueblita Canyon NM) – respectively earlywood (e) and latewood (l). 

    In the calculation of principal components, Mann included both the individual sites and their average as different columns.

    In addition to its use in Stahle SWM network, Spruce Canyon (width and density separately) were also used in the NOAMER network.

    Because relatively little weight is given to the SWM data in the regression step, this duplication is probably not material to the final result, which, needless to say, is the stripbark bristlecone shape plus a little fringe.

    I’ve added this information as an update to ancient article:

    A Summary of MBH98 Replication Issues

    • Anonymous
      Posted Dec 13, 2023 at 11:59 AM | Permalink | Reply

      1. Sort of reminds me of one of the Tilj issue (that there aren’t really 4 measurements, are two). That the series aren’t independent of each other.

      2. I realize that SWM is “small”, regardless of the non-independent series. But I still wonder theoretically the impact. Does having an extra series like this give a different result. I.e. it moves the reconstruction. Or is there something about the procedure that cancels out the impact of improperly added records? Like if I just took the same exact series ((not an average) and just duplicated it….would that bias the answer? It would in a simple average, for sure. But perhaps some signal searching algorithm would not be impacted, would inherently correct for the faux second series.

  16. Orson
    Posted Nov 27, 2023 at 9:35 PM | Permalink | Reply

    PUZZLE SOLVING greatness! to one Hampus Soderqvist!

  17. Posted Nov 28, 2023 at 10:43 AM | Permalink | Reply

    Piltdown man 2, that is Piltdown Mann has been fully revealed.

    Exellent work Hampus Soderqvist, Steve McIntyre and hs!

    Happy and very merry Holidays to everyone!

    • Jeff Alberts
      Posted Nov 30, 2023 at 11:02 AM | Permalink | Reply

      Pretty sure “HS” is Hampus Soderqvist

  18. areamanposts
    Posted Nov 28, 2023 at 4:45 PM | Permalink | Reply

    Unfortunately the link in this paragraph is broken:

    ”Soderqvist is a Swedish engineer, who, as @detgodehab, discovered a remarkable and fatal flaw in the “signal-free” tree ring methodology used in PAGES2K (see X here). ”

    I tried searching X but couldn’t find the post that was described. Would greatly appreciate the correct link as this looks very interesting.

  19. areamanposts
    Posted Nov 28, 2023 at 4:48 PM | Permalink | Reply

    unfortunately the link in this paragraph is broken, and I wasn’t able to find the post described via a search on X.

    ”Soderqvist is a Swedish engineer, who, as @detgodehab, discovered a remarkable and fatal flaw in the “signal-free” tree ring methodology used in PAGES2K (see X here). ”

    if anyone can provide the link it would be appreciated, as I’m sure that’s a very interesting post!

  20. Dale
    Posted Nov 28, 2023 at 6:15 PM | Permalink | Reply

    Steve:
    Only one of your diagrams/charts/pics appears in the above article. All remaining ??? are blank.
    Is this occurring everywhere or only in Canada?
    Thanks

    • Stephen McIntyre
      Posted Nov 28, 2023 at 8:57 PM | Permalink | Reply

      shows for me

  21. Jeff Alberts
    Posted Nov 30, 2023 at 10:59 AM | Permalink | Reply

    I’ll probably get snipped for this, but so be it. If this isn’t proof of the “F” word, I don’t know what is.

  22. Posted Dec 2, 2023 at 4:07 AM | Permalink | Reply

    Years ago my math prof said, if your eye can’t see it, but your math can, then your math is wrong.

    It has been a long time since I looked at this but I seem to recall there was an error in the methodology. The PCA weights were derived from the last 100 years of the data, not the full set, which would act as a filter. Flattening the shaft and emphasizing the blade. Might have this wrong.

  23. Craig Loehle
    Posted Dec 2, 2023 at 3:08 PM | Permalink | Reply

    Funny thing. In all the math and stats I took in college, I never encountered a problem where the solution was a matter of opinion or where I could hide steps from the prof. Who knew that the great and mighty can dispense with showing their work?
    Seriously, if you do the math wrong, it is wrong.
    The paper Ron Graf mentioned is this one: Loehle, C. 2009. A Mathematical Analysis of the Divergence Problem in Dendroclimatology. Climatic Change 94:233-245.
    In uses of Principal Components in ecology, one may start with lists of species in plots across a landscape. You wish to try to identify why they differ. In the PC you get, PC1 might be soil moisture, PC2 be successional stage, PC3 be soil fertility, etc. It would be nonsense to have all the PCs be soil moisture or something. In the example Steve gave, the Bristlecones occur on dry cold peaks and the Stahle trees in southern swamps. The things that cause good or poor growth in these two habitats are probably as opposite as one can get. The effect locally of El Nino is also not in phase in these two places. Nonsense on st8ilts.

  24. Posted Dec 16, 2023 at 7:49 PM | Permalink | Reply

    Thankyou all analysis detectives.

    And education in how people snow others – and plain botch.

  25. Posted Jan 20, 2024 at 3:24 PM | Permalink | Reply

    Steve,

    Does Mark Steyn have this information to hand for the trial?

    I look at the above and wonder if that is fraud or a mistake…… if it was wrong and this was pointed out and denied, that’s a clear fraud on any scientific meaning of the word.

    BRian Catt

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  5. […] Mann’s Other Nature Trick In today’s post, I will report on some excellent work on MBH98 by Hampus Soderqvist, who discovered an important but previously unknown Mike’s Nature Trick: Mann’s list of proxies for AD1400 and other early steps was partly incorrect (Nature link now dead – but see NOAA or here). Mann’s AD1400 list included four series that were not actually used (two French tree ring series and two Moroccan tree ring series), while it omitted four series that were actually used. This also applied to his AD1450 and AD1500 steps. Mann also used an AD1650 step that was not reported. […]

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