Roger Pielke has an interesting article here. I’m going to be offline for a few days and don’t have time now.
There’s an interesting row between the UK National Academy (Lord May) and on the one hand the Russian National Academy and on the hand the U.S. National Academy, where the latter two have distanced themselves from recent statements on climate attributed by the UK National Academy. Here are a couple of references and it should be google-able.
BBC Radio 4
Times July 5
An article here about a stalagmite contributing to more debate about the MWP and LIA. I haven’t read the article yet, but will.
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While you’re about it, here’s a lnk to the UK House of Lords report on the “Economics of Climate Change” which makes for interesting reading: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200506/ldselect/ldeconaf/12/12i.pdf
[I tried to post the above link to the Lords Committee Report earlier on the Blogs on Barton Letters section but just got back the FBI’s home page. Are they on to me or is there a gremlin in your system?]
It’s a good report. Here are two quotes
para 22 “We sought evidence that refuted the claims of McIntyre and McKitrick, but have not come across any detailed rebuttal.”
Para 23 “We are in no position to determine who is right and who is wrong in the growing debate on the hockey stick. If there are historical periods of marked temperature increase, it seems to us it is important to know why these occurred. Overall, we can only urge that the issue is pursued in the next IPCC Assessment.”
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The FBI??? – this gets weirder and weirder.
Yes, they’re on to you Steve😉
Another stalagmite of interest can be found at the other side of the globe in South China, where temperatures are reconstructed over the past 36,000 years. See:
http://karst.planetresources.net/dating-guilin-1994.htm
The main findings for the Holocene are:
“Each cycle lasts about 3000 a. The highest annual mean air temperature during warm period was up to 22 ~ 23oC that is about 3 ~ 4oC higher than that of today. The lowest annual mean air temperature during cold period was 16oC that is about 3oC lower than that of today.”
That coincidences nicely with the MWP and LIA…
I also experienced the FBI link, someone hacked the server ? But, but, I thought the dogs were being sicc’d onto the Mannians. Everybody says so, why are we poor innocent skeptics being hounded ! Which side is Rep Barton on !!!
There’s an interesting straw in the wind in that BBC report on the stalagmite. Towards the end it says:
The implications of SPA-12 will stoke up what is already an acrimonious debate between global warming sceptics and the scientific “consensus”.
Notice those quotation marks?
Prof. Von Storch and Prof. Mangini, both participated in this Gummersbach meeting last february.
On request von Storch was really polite towards M&M, but told the audience not to hang the “hockey-stick” to high.
After the speech of Von Storch Mangini had a very convincingly introduction concerning his research on stalagmite showing that the sun was the main cause of historic climate change.
He began his speech criticizing Mann’s Hockey-Stick. Because of his large climate archives he told the audience that the LIA and the MWP existed not only in Europe but also in other parts of the earth.
Von Stroch was not really amused as somebody of the audience asked if the role of the sun is also valid for the temperatures of last 20 years.
What Maldini presented was one of the best I have heard in the last years.
See: http://www.sepp.org//NewSEPP/German%20GW%20Seminar.htm
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Dear Dr Stroeher,
Is the presentation given by Dr Mangini available somewhere?
You may ask Prof. Mangini himself. He showed some very interesting charts in Gummersbach.
If You google Mangini, you will find his adress. He works in Heidelberg, Germany.
Sorry, no Dr, only Bernd Stroeher
Mangini et. Al. have published the results of their findings.
Here are some remarks of the Idsos.
http://www.co2science.org/scripts/Template/MainPage.jsp?MerchantCode=CO2ScienceB2C&Page=Index
Bernd Stroeher