It’s late summer (or late winter in the SH) so it must be time to upgrade the blog to the latest and greatest WordPress edition. (why do I offer to do this? I must be mad)

Climate Audit is current on a lowly version 2.2.1 and the latest version is 2.6.1

Much to my surprise, WP upgraded without too much fuss on the test system, despite the re-engineering that has gone on since the last upgrade. Even the Tiga theme continued to work (wonders will never cease).

So in the next hour or so (after I’ve run a full backup), the blog will upgrade. During this process, things will appear to not work, but don’t worry – just come back in 30 minutes.

For those desperate to type something, the Climate Audit Forum is available and won’t be affected.

Update: The upgrade has finished. Please let me know what’s broken in the comments below (or if that’s broken, send an e-mail to climateaudit AT gmail.com )

Update #2: We are running on a new theme, “Atahualpa” by BytesForAll. Thanks to BFA for creating the theme, and helping us with tweaks to solve several display issues. (The previous “tiga” theme crashes CA, so it’s gone.)

Please comment if familiar elements are missing, or if you find bugs or browser incompatibilities in the new theme.

1. Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 1:22 AM | Permalink

$x^2$

2. Mike C
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 1:39 AM | Permalink

If this is the reason that TAC is late with the daily sea ice report then it’s crucifiction for you, John A.

3. John A
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 2:11 AM | Permalink

Bug #1: Commenters turn nasty after upgrades.

• Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 6:15 AM | Permalink

Re: #3

Paste link test2 . . .mmm, not seeing this comment in preview.

Cliff

• Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 6:33 AM | Permalink

Re: #142

It does work for me. May I point out (humbly) that IE6 is seriously old, buggy and insecure, and causes problems that we Firefox 3 users don’t see?

• Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 6:43 AM | Permalink

Re: #148 John A,

I’m using Safari 3.1.2, OSX 1.4.11., which is not eriously old, buggy and insecure – although I do see the same problem using IE6 SP2.

Cliff

4. Scott-in-WA
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 3:38 AM | Permalink

I don’t see the listings of the latest posts on the right side of the page.

I’m using IE7.

5. BarryW
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 5:31 AM | Permalink

Looks different. Did you change the theme? The column that was on the left with the static links is now on the right and the links to the latest posts is missing.

6. sav
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 5:32 AM | Permalink

nice and neat

7. jeez
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 5:40 AM | Permalink

1. Latests posts are no longer visible.

3. In my opinion, the font in the entry field is too small for my old man eyes.

3. Posts by category reference are missing.

Here’s the sea ice thread for those who can’t find it.

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3336

8. Scott-in-WA
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 5:43 AM | Permalink

I still don’t see the listings of the latest posts on the right side of the page.

Without this feature, it’s tough to get a handle on who’s fighting like cowboys and indians. (Or like cats and dogs, if that’s your usual conflict management paradigm.)

This was a problem with the last WordPress upgrade. There were many complaints from cowboys and indians alike (and or cats and dogs alike) until it was fixed.

IIRC, it had to do with some kind of creative use of WordPress’ standard formatting features.

JohnA, you need to develop a knowledge management engine to keep track of all the WordPress formatting tricks that were used in previous upgrades.

9. BarryW
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 6:02 AM | Permalink

Posts aren’t numbered anymore, also.

10. Smokey
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 6:09 AM | Permalink

Yes, please number the posts. Numbering posts is a good feature. It really helps. And rather than occasionally deleting a post, thereby screwing up the numbering, leave the number & just delete.

Otherwise, the new look is nice. It will just take a little getting used to.

11. RomanM
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 6:25 AM | Permalink

The formatting buttons (blockquote, link, bold, etc.) ain’t there no more either.

12. rhodeymark
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 6:27 AM | Permalink

I think what you mean is comment numbering. As far as posts themselves, I see no author noted anymore. Also missing, the standard shortcuts for comment formatting?
Bold Strike

etc

Thanks – I like the new look, but also agree the standard comment formatting is a bit small on the font. My wife works for an eye health clinic and (anecdotally), computers are impairing vision at an alarming clip via eye strain.

13. Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 6:28 AM | Permalink

yes, I changed the theme (temporarily). It seems that the Tiga theme has failed the upgrade. I’ll find another.

14. BCH
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 6:49 AM | Permalink

The author line for each post is missing.

15. J.Hansford.
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 7:06 AM | Permalink

Seems fine to me… That’s no recommendation though, I’ll work with anything… It’s because I un’erstand nothing….. 😉

Looks pretty though…. Ohhh, is that a Raspberry?

…. Is Steve tryin’ to tell us something? 🙂

16. J.Hansford.
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 7:09 AM | Permalink

Ahh… The picture is back to the usual patch of blue cloudy sky…. I liked the raspberry better…. 🙂

17. DaveM
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 7:29 AM | Permalink

#16 Hansford

Where is your proof of “the usual patch of blue cloudy sky”? Also, what evidence this nefarious “raspberry”? Shocking statistical leap…

😉

18. MrPete
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 7:30 AM | Permalink

John A — I am running Tiga on current WP. I think we should be able to run on it OK.

There’s a new feature that allows admins to test a theme without making it public. Maybe that will help.

19. Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 7:32 AM | Permalink

Its generally faily neat but the font seems a bit small and also the ‘Headlines’ appear much paler as are the posts themselves-a little like when I’m running out of ink and am reluctant to fork out £20 for a new cartridge!

Good work though, we do appreciate your input
TonyB

20. Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 7:32 AM | Permalink

Pete

Whatever I’ve done to Tiga, it doesn’t want to play ball any more. If you can get it to work, knock yourself out.

21. MrPete
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 7:39 AM | Permalink

‘k… THANK YOU for taking this on, John. I know this can be a Royal Pain 🙂

22. MrPete
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 7:48 AM | Permalink

John — in the design->theme area, just click on the tiga theme thumbnail. In current WP, that gives you a live preview. I don’t see anything amiss. What issue do you see? I don’t want to kill CA for everybody by activating it if there really is a problem 🙂

23. Urederra
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 8:03 AM | Permalink

Are you going to enable avatars?

24. MrPete
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 8:05 AM | Permalink

One thing at a time.

Folks, now that we’re back to the usual theme: do you see anything missing or broken? For the moment, CA should look and feel pretty much like what you’re used to.

25. Dave Dardinger
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 8:06 AM | Permalink

Well, I was about to list problems I was seeing, but I see we’re now back to normal, insofar as that’s a legitimate concept for CA. Good job, John A!

26. MrPete
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 8:23 AM | Permalink

That was a bit exciting. There’s been a longstanding bug that occasionally causes the site to crash. I was hoping the new version would be better. Apparently, the crash is not yet fixed… readers’ patience mucho appreciated.

27. Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 8:25 AM | Permalink

Thanks John A.

I just noticed the following error under Tags in the left column:

WordPress database error: [Table ‘ca.smc_categories’ doesn’t exist]
SELECT cat_id, cat_name FROM smc_categories WHERE link_count > 0

Hope this helps.

28. MrPete
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 8:41 AM | Permalink

The site has crashed twice in the last hour while running the familiar Tiga theme. Sorry folks, I’m going to switch temporarily to the other theme to see if that helps. I know things are a bit out of place but we can’t have crashes every few minutes.

Hopefully we can be back to normal quite soon!

29. Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 9:33 AM | Permalink

AARghh!! I see Sinan Unur has actually posted his image. I hope we’re not all expected to do this? If so, can you gather together a gallery of good looking people so I can make my selection first? Could be a useful source of income for CA…

TonyB

30. MrPete
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 9:39 AM | Permalink

Comment images are just an attribute of the temporary theme. Don’t get too used to it; the pix will likely disappear at any moment…

31. M.Villeger
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 10:23 AM | Permalink

The authors of the articles are no longer visible… or do I need new glasses?

32. Mike Rankin
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 10:28 AM | Permalink

The format appears different to me in some respects but adequate. I notice that any wide images in a post now overlay the right margin of recent comments. I am using IE7.

33. jeez
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 12:32 PM | Permalink

Still missing posts by category which used to be on the left hand nav.

34. jeez
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 12:38 PM | Permalink

For reference, I’m referring to this:

#
Categories

* AIT
* Archiving
o Nature
o Science
* Data
* Disclosure and Diligence
* FOIA
* General
* Holocene Optimum
* Hurricane
* IPCC
* MBH98
o Replication
o Source Code
o Spot the Hockey Stick!
o Wahl and Ammann
* Modeling
* News and Commentary
o Barton Committee
o NAS Panel
* Other Multiproxy Studies
o Briffa
o Crowley
o Esper et al 2002
o Hansen
o Hegerl 2006
o Jones & Mann 2003
o Jones et al 1998
o Juckes et al 2006
o Loehle 2007
o Mann et al 2007
o Moberg [2005]
* Proxies
o Almagre
o Antarctica
o bristlecones
o Divergence
o Geological
o Jacoby
o Mann PC1
o Medieval
o Noamer Treeline
o Ocean sediment
o Post-1980 Proxies
o Solar
o Thompson
* Satellite and gridcell
* Scripts
* Sea Level Rise
* Statistics
o principal components
o Spurious
* Surface Record
o Jones et al 1990
o NASA (Hansen)
o UHI
* TGGWS
* Uncategorized

35. Urederra
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 4:33 PM | Permalink

Idsos blog link doesn’t work. Well, you have to delete everything from the first slash to the end in order to work. I don’t think it is due to the update, though.

36. Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 4:39 PM | Permalink

I hate upgrades. Unfortunately there was a really nasty security bug that could have crashed CA if we not had the upgrade.

37. Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 6:15 PM | Permalink

If you can’t get that theme working on the new version of WordPress, it is quite easy to modify another theme to have things likes post authors and dates.

38. MrPete
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 6:37 PM | Permalink

I’m confident we’ll get it working. I’ve done a few patches in the meantime…

39. Patrick M.
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 7:35 PM | Permalink

I could get used to this format. It’s actually pretty clean looking.

40. Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 8:04 PM | Permalink

Re: Tony Brown

I did not post my picture. The temporary theme at the time was picking up avatars from http://www.gravatar.com/

In fact, it was quite unexpected to see my picture next to my post.

41. MrPete
Posted Aug 23, 2008 at 8:05 PM | Permalink

Found a Tiga patch. Tried it. No joy. Hang in there, we’re getting closer.

I think the only theme-related problems at this point are the gray text and the missing edit controls.

[edit: category links are ok now]

42. Anthony Watts
Posted Aug 24, 2008 at 11:13 AM | Permalink

Pete,

personally I like the current theme over Tiga, it appears more professional to me, and I like that the sidebars are reduced in luminance, thus allowing the main body column to stand out, making for easier reading.

I think a straw poll might be in order to see if others agree.

43. fFreddy
Posted Aug 24, 2008 at 11:22 AM | Permalink

I like the delicate, shell-like pink colour of John A’s comments …

44. MrPete
Posted Aug 24, 2008 at 12:46 PM | Permalink

I too am warming up to this theme. It does need some fixing up but perhaps we can make it “home” 😉

45. Syl
Posted Aug 24, 2008 at 1:34 PM | Permalink

I like the new theme.

But my Firefox 2.0.0.16 crashed here while reading a thread but the changeover happened during that time so maybe that’s why. And when I was trying to type in the Reply box on a long thread (Koutsoyiannis) just a few minutes ago there was a delay of almost 2 seconds between keystroke and its appearance in the box. I didn’t have that problem before.

46. Posted Aug 24, 2008 at 4:06 PM | Permalink

Sinan Unur #40

Thats a disappointment. I was going to select a photo of Hansen to accompany my name…
TonyB

47. Posted Aug 24, 2008 at 4:41 PM | Permalink

The sidebars are not at the top where they should be with the IE6 browser (very broken). Firefox is OK. I think tiga looks very dated these days.

48. Dave Dardinger
Posted Aug 24, 2008 at 4:49 PM | Permalink

I like the “recent posts” box which wasn’t there before. I sort of miss the “home” in the middle between the previous and next posts, but since CA is my “home” page all I have to do is press the “home” button on the browser anyway.

49. Ernie
Posted Aug 24, 2008 at 5:25 PM | Permalink

Hi John,
Did you apply the 2.3 patch for Tiga theme? I know you had to for going from 2.2.1 to 2.5, not seen a mention about 2.6.

http://www.learncpp.com/wordpress/tiga-and-wordpress-25/

50. Bill in Vigo
Posted Aug 24, 2008 at 7:29 PM | Permalink

Looks good to me just font is a little small for old eyes. Makes it hard to read for me.

Bill Derryberry

51. J.Hansford.
Posted Aug 24, 2008 at 7:43 PM | Permalink

Good stuff….. Looking good now. neat and clean.

52. Posted Aug 24, 2008 at 8:35 PM | Permalink

A new version of the theme “Atahualpa” is available. Some of the changes you made here can be done through the options pages now.

The IE6 dropping sidebars issue mentioned above is fixed via a min-width setting option, and btw, this currently happens if an image is too wide for the middle column, IE6 will drop, the others will overlap, its due to the fluid AND table-free layout that is being used here (and it’s source ordered, too).

Also, in 2.2 the code has been cleaned up considerably, and now you can change the font size on the options page, too. I will gladly help with customization if you get stuck, post on my blog and I’ll post back the edits you need to make incl. line numbers and everything.

Version 2.2: http://wordpress.bytesforall.com/?p=56

Atahualpa is currently featured on WordPress.org http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/

53. Bob Koss
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 1:52 AM | Permalink

Two of the the links in the BlogRoll are no longer valid. Idsos and Roger Pielke Sr.
As long as maintenance is being done the following addresses will work.

Idsos http://www.co2science.org/
Roger Pielke Sr. http://climatesci.org/

54. Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 3:22 AM | Permalink

Iropny 1986

I still have a problem with the graph overlaying the entire page as with ‘Irony December 1986’ will any of the tweaks resolve that?

TonyB

55. jeez
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 3:34 AM | Permalink

a bigger monitor?

56. MrPete
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 4:22 AM | Permalink

Thanks for the suggestions and hints.
The noted Tiga update was done; it solved a bad query but the entire site still crashed.
The updated atahualpa helps, although edits were still needed. BytesForAll, THANK YOU for your great work to develop this theme!
The two blogroll links have been repaired. Thanks.

* IE users – does the updated theme fix your image display issues??
* Is the font size ok now? It is actually the same font as before the upgrade, and a tiny bit bigger. However, it is a “flex size” font. IE users in particular might have trouble if we don’t have all the right hacks in place.

57. bernie
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 8:04 AM | Permalink

Font size is OK, but there are no links on the home page though the links show up on the comment page. Is this deliberate?

The comment box works as I assume it was designed to work and does not resize and line wrap in a very obscure manner the way it used to making some of my previous comments difficult to read – of course, I assume full responsibility for their actual content ;).

58. mbabbitt
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 8:58 AM | Permalink

I have IE7. When I first enter CA, the left and right panel text is way down the screen (3/4). However, if I click on the comments, they appear correctly at the top. I would love to see what kind of software configuration testing was performed — if at all. Good luck, John.

59. Anthony Watts
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 9:04 AM | Permalink

I don’t see any issues with IE7 on 2 different machines, will test more in awhile when I go to office.

Firefox works OK as well. The issue may be related to desktop resolution rather than the requirment for IE7 to be maximized.

60. Martin Ringo
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 9:05 AM | Permalink

John A,

Greek letters seem to come through fine, but subscripts and exponents do not. Is there a way to do this or must one resort to old FORTRAN style math notation?

Thanks in any case.

Garbage symbols:
εΔηµσ√εβσΣτωσπρστ
ωΔΣΠΩηεξζηΔσβαε
θημπΣστω

Wishart distribution:
W(S|Γ,n) =
|S|(n-p-1)/2 exp( – Tr( S Σ-1) )
/ 2np/2 |S|n/2 Γp(n/p)

The exponents and subscripts do not come through in comment.

61. MrPete
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 9:30 AM | Permalink

mbabbitt — there’s a known issue in IE that the sidebars are only correct if your browser is maximized. Anything less than full screen and they pop down below. I too am surprised this issue exists on what is apparently one of the more popular WP themes.

FWIW, ClimateAudit is one of the more heavily used blogs around; our user base puts the system through its paces rather nicely!

62. MrPete
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 9:32 AM | Permalink

Martin — this site uses latex for mathematical representation. Far more powerful than basic characters (which often do not display properly for everybody)

The following is done using this set of text, with all the spaces removed:
[ tex ]x^2[ / tex ]

$x^2$

Search here and elsewhere; you’ll find plenty of info on latex.

63. Martin Ringo
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 9:58 AM | Permalink

MrPete,

Thanks for tip, unfortunately I think I have become too old to learn another math-text typing routine. To give you an idea, I typed my first paper with an IBM Selectric using the math and Greek typing balls. This was great stuff in the 60s because then everybody — well at least everybody who could borrow a Selectric — could type math and not have to use a professional typesetter for working papers. The journals still used the pros.

But I will go look for a quick read on Latex next time I try to write more than an equation or two.

64. Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 10:17 AM | Permalink

Jeez ~55

Shouldn’t you be looking afer Baby Ice?

It worked fine before the upgrade so presumably it is a feature of the upgrade rather than my monitor? I obviously don’t want to buy a new monitor because of the scarce resources that will use and the subsequent contribution to damgerous levels of CO2…

TonyB

Has anyone else got the problem

65. crosspatch
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 10:17 AM | Permalink

Can a new baby ice thread “Sea Ice Stretch Run ..” be created? That thread of 800 bazillion posts is probably clobbering the server with so many people loading it.

66. Bob Koss
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 10:27 AM | Permalink

I have the same problem as Tony Brown concerning the graphics now overlaying the right-hand sidebar. No problem prior to upgrade.
I always run with 1024×768 screen resolution. Changing to 1152×864 resolution fixes it, of course that reduces all font sizes.

Both sidebars are definitely wider than they used to be. Maybe their width can be reduced?

Tried two browsers. IE and Opera both do the same thing.

67. bernie
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 10:59 AM | Permalink

I have IE6. The links appear at the bottom of the home page but in the right position when I click to add comments. If by maximized you mean the screen size – it is. Switching screen resolutions has no effect on my Compaq 6710b

68. mbabbitt
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 11:53 AM | Permalink

Just tried CA at work where we are on IE 6 (Yes!)and got the same behavior as on IE 7 at home: left and right panel text/graphics appears 3/4 the way down page unless I click the Comments button; then they appear correctly.

69. MrPete
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 1:01 PM | Permalink

Lemme see what I can do about the sidebars. I see the overlap as well; depends on your screen size. The bump-down problem is just… strange 😦

70. Anthony Watts
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 1:04 PM | Permalink

Pete, at a common resolution, 1024×768, any browser exhibist the sidebar issue. The theme CSS may be forcing this, that’s where I’d check.

71. MrPete
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 1:28 PM | Permalink

IE bumps, FireFox overlaps. Yes, it is a theme css issue, no doubt. I passed it on to the developer in hopes he’ll fix it. I *can* but this kind of thing is a pain to work through 😉

72. jim Arndt
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 1:44 PM | Permalink

70 Anthony,

What is the best resolution? I’m using a 16:9 display. I have also noticed that Firefox seems to revert to cached pages and I sometimes have to reload or even restart to fix it.

73. MrPete
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 1:48 PM | Permalink

I’ve cleaned things up as well as can be done quickly. No more overlaps on non-IE browsers. Many apologies for the IE “bump” trouble.

Any CSS wizards in the house? This is a very solvable problem. Most likely due to one of the font size and/or related bugs.

This is not forgotten. If nobody else finds it and the theme author can’t crack it, I’ll get to it eventually.

74. Willis Eschenbach
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 3:54 PM | Permalink

Many thanks to y’all for the upgrade.

Unfortunately, I can’t get the “Img” tag to work in any configuration …

How about latex, is it working? Here’s a test

$x^2$

Thanks again for the hard work,

w.

75. Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 4:30 PM | Permalink

This should serve as a good reminder to all of us that a popular blog like this does not run itself. How about a round of donations? Maybe the Steve and the hard working contributors to this blog can have a dinner on us if they end in close geographical proximity 🙂

— Sinan

76. Pat Frank
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 8:33 PM | Permalink

Good to see you working here again, John A. My thanks also, to you and MrPete.

77. Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 9:17 PM | Permalink

This is what I could come up with:

– The left sidebar is being dropped by the categories drop down menu.
– The right sidebar is being dropped by the long URL in the script at the bottom of this post http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3405

At the very bottom of style.php, add the following

body { word-wrap: break-word;}
select { font-size: 70%; }

to the “if lte IE6” section, and if people are still seeing issues even with IE7, or to be sure, change the

[if lte IE 6]

statement at around line 160 to

[if lte IE 7]

The “break-word” will force IE6 to break up unbreakable space-less URLs like the one at http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3405. If someone does copy & paste the script, the line breaks of the copied code will be in order. So I see no downside here. Firefox will break long lines too, just a little nicer.

The other rule will cause IE6 & 7 to make the font in the drop down list smaller.

The min width setting of 990 that you have now is good. If the above doesn’t help you might have to make the sidebars a little bit wider, too, i.e. 13-13.5em for the left and 14-14.5 for the right sidebar.

If all this doesn’t help there has to be more content somewhere that doesn’t fit into one of the columns (left, middle or right).

BTW: The fact that IE6 drops when the content doesn’t fit is not caused by me. It is due to the type of Layout technique being used here. It is fluid, table-free, source ordered (the content comes before the sidebars which may or may not help with google rankings), and you would be able to give the sidebars colors, and they would fill the whole column from top to bottom, without the help of a background image. This type of layout is sometimes referred to as the “Holy Grail” even though it may not look so holy right now.

78. Geoff Sherrington
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 10:05 PM | Permalink

John A,

I’ve a standard PC, Windows XP after removing Vista, IE7, 1024×768 monitor setting, 24 bit RGB colour – and all work well.

BUT, in the past, I have had big problems uploading images. I have no web site so I use web hosting. Different web hosts provide URLs with occasionally different characters at start and finish, some of them need editing. Then when you hit PREVIEW on WordPress, it does not always show the image – that can appear some time later. So you fly blind.

Can you pls attach in the sidebars an idiot-proof instruction set with recommended web host so that we can save bandwidth loading images like graphs? Likewise if I wish to web host a paper of n x 100 pages and give a URL for it. Elementary, but frustrating. Need help in old age. Geoff.

79. Anthony Watts
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 10:28 PM | Permalink

test image

80. Anthony Watts
Posted Aug 25, 2008 at 10:29 PM | Permalink

Yup confirmed, image tag is busted. May be a setting.

81. Bob Koss
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 3:15 AM | Permalink

My browser is Opera 9.52. With the prior theme I had no problems at all.

Before this latest coding change I only had a problem with the graphics overlaying the right sidebar. Now in addition to that problem the sidebars have been moved to below the text area.

Whatever change was made seems to have been browser specific. I really don’t want to have to change browsers in order to view this site.

Maybe a little information will help.
In Opera the comment area width runs from column 192 to 803 with the two sidebars taking up the rest of my 1024×768 screen.
In IE7 the sidebar widths are narrower and the Categories dropdown box extends into the comment area while in Opera it doesn’t. It doesn’t seem right that any part of the dropdown box should ever extend into the comment area. I hope a remedy can be found.

82. HarryG
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 5:29 AM | Permalink

Does this mean that JohnA is back for good? Or is this just a temporary leave pass he is operating under?

83. Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 5:47 AM | Permalink

One more fix to handle images that are too wide for the main column, such as the monthtable.gif here http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3415

#middle-column img {max-width:610px;
width: expression(this.width > 620 ? 620: true);}

So the complete fix, to be put at the end of style.php, before the closing tags

</style>
<![endif]–>

would be:

body {word-wrap: break-word;}
select {font-size: 70%;}
#middle-column img {max-width:620px;
width: expression(this.width > 620 ? 620: true);}

84. MrPete
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 6:42 AM | Permalink

Bytes For All: THANK YOU! Your suggestions helped move this along. One actually broke it worse but hey 🙂

Readers: Is this OK now? IE7 users especially please check. Opera users too.

Tech folk:
On the left, the font-size was set for “option” rather than “select”. (It is actually using .inside select and 85% but whatever.)

The image width-limiting code is in place for IE. Unfortunately, there’s a tradeoff: those of us with wider screens will not get wider images.

The word-wrap; break-word actually broke the right side column. Makes it bump down, and makes it wider?! I left that out. If needed, we could probably apply it only to the center column.

85. Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 7:07 AM | Permalink

John A, well done on all your hard work. It looks good to me.
$e^x = \sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac {x^n} {n!}$

86. Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 7:33 AM | Permalink

I am preparing a final fix, incl. img resizing, force wrap & select resizing for IE6, IE7, Firefox 2, Firefox 3, Opera & Safari. Only thing missing so far is force wrap on Safari, everything else seems to work. I am using sample content from Climate Audit, the long URL from that script, the 663 px wide monthtable.gif, and the longest Category Name “Disclosure and Diligence”. I should be done soon and will post here.

87. mbabbitt
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 8:18 AM | Permalink

Status report:
I have Vista on my home Desktop with IE7 and last night the CA page loaded fine with the left and right panels showing up as required. On XP/IE7 at home and XP/IE6 at work, I still get the initial page left/right panel pushed way down the page — except if I open the full page with comments — then all is well. Hope this feedback helps you.

88. Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 9:42 AM | Permalink

It all looks good to me, even the graphs are now behaving themselves and not overlapping the sides any more. My thanks to all those involved in the upgrade.

I’m inclined to agree with a previous comment that we all take CA for granted so I for one will be making a small donation and hope others will do the same if they feel able to do so. Its a great site!

Tony Brown

89. MrPete
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 10:00 AM | Permalink

A hint for all:

We don’t have “unthreaded” right now, so there’s no truly appropriate place to mention this.

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[no further comments needed… please start something in the forum instead if this is a topic of interest]

90. Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 10:10 AM | Permalink

<!–[if lte IE 6]>
<style type=”text/css” media=”screen”>

/* IE6 calculates padding/margin differently */
.searchbox {
margin-right: -6px;
}

/* IE6 doesn’t know regular min-width */
div#page-container {
width:expression(((document.compatMode && document.compatMode==’CSS1Compat’) ? document.documentElement.clientWidth : document.body.clientWidth) < <?php echo $ata_min_width; ?> ? “<?php echo$ata_min_width; ?>px” : “auto”);
}

/* avoid italic text for IE6, may drop sidebar */
#left-column .inside em,
#right-column .inside em {
font-style: normal;
}

/* make IE6 resize images, too */
#middle-column img {
max-width:610px;
width: expression(this.width > 610 ? 610: true);
}

</style>
<![endif]–>

<style type=”text/css”>
#left-column .inside select,
#right-column .inside select {
/* fit width of select drop down menu into availabe space,
make font smaller to make longer option titles fit in */
font-size: 11px; /* % won’t work in IE6 and IE7 */
width: 98%; /* auto won’t work in Safari */
}

/* Force Safari 2.0 and later, IE6 and IE7
to wrap long strings, too */
#middle-column .inside {
word-wrap: break-word;
}

/* make Firefox, Opera, Safari and IE7 resize
images instead of overflowing them over the right sidebar */
img {
max-width: 99%;
height: auto;
}

</style>

91. Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 10:15 AM | Permalink

I posted the above twice but the first, longer one, was marked as spam. Please discard the first one, admin.

Trying again: There are still some issues, dropping and overflowing but the above patch should them. I tested with content from this blog, and on IE6, IE7, Safari, Firefox and Opera. The pages were I still see isues are for instance, http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3406 (IE6 drops) and http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3415 (IE6 and Opera drop). Also, the other browser still overlap.

The fix above should be added to the end of style.php, and the existing if “lte IE6 … endif” section at the bottom of style.php should be removed.

92. Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 10:19 AM | Permalink

After doing the changes as suggested above, I get the following:

Image Resizing:
IE6 doesn’t drop anymore. The others don’t overflow anymore.
IE7, Opera, Safari, Firefox resize images dynamically.
IE6 resizes images to a fixed width once a predefined threshold is reached (i.e. 620px).

Long string wrap:
IE6 doesn’t drop anymore. The others don’t overflow anymore.
Safari, IE6 & IE7 wrap harshly whereever the border is reached, but copy & paste works, string is in order
Firefox & Opera wrap gracefully, at a slash character for instance

Select Dropdown:
IE6 doesn’t drop anymore. The others don’t overflow anymore.
IE6 & IE7: List fits right in but won’t expand its width when opened, which would be even better
Firefox, Opera and Safari: Fits and expands its width when opened

93. Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 10:23 AM | Permalink

MrPete, the above word-wrap doesn’t break anything but fixes a lot of things if applied as suggested, at least on my extensive testing here. Applying it on body as per my first suggestion may have been the cause for the issues you saw.

94. Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 10:30 AM | Permalink

In comment #91 line 3, when I said “There are still some issues” I meant to say that there are still issues on this site here (but not in the fix I provded in comment #90, as far as I can see).

95. MrPete
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 11:32 AM | Permalink

Check it out!

GREAT work, BytesForAll. FF and IE6 look fine to me*. Again, please check on your various browsers.

* Please DO note: AFAIK, if you use IE, and if you try to shrink your browser to less than 1024 wide, you very well may see the side columns “drop down” to the bottom. There’s not a lot we can do about that. This site is designed for 1024 width.

96. David L Hagen
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 11:52 AM | Permalink

Looks good in IE7. Lousy in Firefox.
In Firefox 3.01, the left column does not show up until below the “submit comment” in the middle column.
On the right, the “Search” does not start until after the “Archives” on the left.

97. David
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 12:09 PM | Permalink

I liked the Tiga theme much better. This one seems washed out. I am using the latest Firefox.

98. DeWitt Payne
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 12:27 PM | Permalink

Re:#96,

I’m also using Firefox 3.01 and don’t have that problem. The left and right columns are at the top of the page as expected. Are you using Vista or XP?

99. Gary A.
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 12:52 PM | Permalink

I have the same FireFox 3.0 issue with side panels down below content as #96. I’m temporarily running at 1280×768. XP.

100. MrPete
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 1:37 PM | Permalink

Please do supply your screen resolution when reporting. That will be a great help. AND, the URL you are looking at. THANK YOU!

101. Dave Dardinger
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 1:50 PM | Permalink

I’m using Win 2000 and a just intalled Firefox 3.0.1 and things seem to be ok. I agree the old theme was better but not much.

102. David L. Hagen
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 2:29 PM | Permalink

DeWitte Re#98
I am using Windows XP Pro SP3 with a Display 1900×1200 17″ LCD with an NVIDIA Quadro FX 1600M graphics card.

103. David L. Hagen
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 2:33 PM | Permalink

MrPete at 100
Display Resolution does not seem to make any difference. Same issue at 1200×800.

104. David L. Hagen
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 2:50 PM | Permalink

MrPete at 100
Display Resolution does not seem to make any difference. To verify, I have the same issue at 800×600.
Also changing from 125% to 100% fonts makes no difference either.
Happy hunting.
Recommend exploring the column or table type settings.
It looks like a difference on how one column to the next is displayed.

105. AndyL
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 3:09 PM | Permalink

Looks fine in Firefox 3.0.1 with Adblock Plus
1280 * 1024

106. icman
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 3:16 PM | Permalink

Was having the dropping of the side columns to the bottom earlier today but all looks good now. XP ie6 and 1280×1024 resolution. Commendations to Bytes For All

107. Gary A.
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 3:33 PM | Permalink

For what is is worth if I change the #left-column width to 12em (from 12.5) and the #right-column width to 13em (from 13.5). The side columns then move up to the top.

108. Syl
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 3:54 PM | Permalink

FWIW, the sluggishness of typing into the reply box, especially in huge threads, seems to be gone now. Firefox 2.0.0.16.

109. David
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 4:17 PM | Permalink

In the side columns, the lines are too close together IMHO. The recent comments section looks all crowded, for instance. This is not a bug, just a theme feature.

110. Bob Koss
Posted Aug 26, 2008 at 6:05 PM | Permalink

Gary A. in 107 commented on reducing the left and right column widths. I modified the source as he suggested and that takes care of the problem of the sidebars being placed at the bottom by my Opera browser.

Can you modify the current code without breaking the other browser types?

111. Brian Johnson
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 12:09 AM | Permalink

A problem? Using Mac G5 OS X 10.5.4 Safari Version 3.1.2 (5525.20.1) Firefox/3.0.1 Looks fresh, neat. So far no problems with either browsers.

112. Ross Berteig
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 12:28 AM | Permalink

Here’s another test image… it is at least of weather, although neither seasonal nor particularly related to warming…

I let the Quicktags buttons do most of the formatting work, and Flickr hosts the image itself. Interestingly, the Img quicktag button prompted for both an URL and ALT text. If the alt text is left in the resulting IMG tag, then the preview below the edit box gets a really screwball IMG tag that can’t resolve to a real image. I removed the alt attribute and all spaces after the trailing quote and the preview works again. Now let’s see if it shows in the post…

In other news… firefox 3.0.1 handles this theme pretty nicely at least for me.

113. Ross Berteig
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 12:35 AM | Permalink

Very odd… the entire img tag is missing from the comment, but the link that surrounded it is still there in the rendered HTML. Since it is a good idea for the quicktags toolbar to match the actual permitted features, I’d lobby for either fixing the img tag or removing it from the bar. Obviously, I think fixing the img tag is the preferred answer…

114. MrPete
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 2:39 AM | Permalink

Ross B – please try again. I cannot make either the Link nor Img tag get it wrong. AND the preview works for me.

By any chance, is the (hidden) link URL in your #112 what you were using as the image tag? That COULD mess up the preview, since the URL is not actually an image but rather a page in Flikr 😉

• Ross Berteig
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 2:44 PM | Permalink

Re: #114 MrPete… I’ll repeat what I did the first time, using (I think) the same picture. It is hosted at Flickr, and I used both the Img and Link buttons (in that order) to attempt to make the picture link to its page at Flickr. Only the <a> tag survived in the submitted comment. Aside from quirks caused by smart quotes, the live preview was fine and included both the photo and the link to its page as expected.

"Smart Quotes" should just get tossed out the window, IMHO. (And probably the text-to-smiley thing as well since it messes with parenthetical remarks that end with punctuation or the digit eight.) At the moment, some quirk of the live preview script causes the whole preview body to evaporate if I type any double-quote characters in the running text, like the ones I faked with entity references at the start of this paragraph.

Here is the photo, wrapped in a link, and produced by the Img and Link buttons:

When I finished with the Img button, it pasted in the expected img tag, and the live preview lost its body again. When I used the Link button to wrap it in an anchor tag, the preview shows the image as the entire body of the message, but it somehow has put all of the preceding text into the preview’s copy of the href attribute of the anchor. That bit of behavior is apparently caused by starting this post by using the paste link button to get the link to your comment. Having an earlier anchor seems to confuse the preview script and cause it to guess wrong as it rewrites the comment text into the page body.

I wonder if the preview works right for a post with more than one link in it.

I’ll ask rhetorically: wouldn’t a preview button that opens a pop-up window on demand or a two-stage submission where the submit button really shows a message preview and requires a second confirm be better than client-side scripting that has to work in every browser?

Don’t take the whining the wrong way… we all appreciate the effort that goes into maintaining this site!

115. MrPete
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 2:47 AM | Permalink

David Hagen, Gary A, Bob Koss – can you capture a screen (prtscrn, then open mspaint and paste, then save as jpg) to illustrate? This clearly does not happen for everyone who uses the same browser you do. I suspect something else is happening.

It is confusing that shrinking the side bars would help. The “normal” push-down issue is that something doesn’t fit within the given width of the sidebar. Thus, making the side bars narrower should make it worse.

116. Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 3:21 AM | Permalink

Above- tried an image that I had posted earlier (worked then) in another thread. Showed in preview with the Alt removed. Another try with the Alt clause:

Using Safari 3.1.2, OSX 1.4.11

Cliff

[note: there’s absolutely nothing there from “Alt clause:” down to “Using Safari”]

117. Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 3:23 AM | Permalink

Image used for the above tests: http://homepage.mac.com/cliff_huston/.public/Douglas_Obs2SE.PNG

Cliff

118. MrPete
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 3:28 AM | Permalink

Cliff, please try just using the quicktags and ignoring the preview effect. Does the html in your comment look ok, and does the final comment turn out ok?

The tests you’ve posted have no tags in their content at all.

119. Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 3:58 AM | Permalink

MrPete,

The first try above (Test) was using the Image tag and URL copied from a text file of a post in the Dogulass thread, which did not have the Alt clause (could not get that to work even back then). The image showed in preview just fine. The second post was using the quicktags and the same URL, but included the Alt clause. The preview showed only the missing image symbol. In both cases, the html I’m seeing here shows no sign of the image tag or URL.

Just to round this out, here is an attempt using the quicktags and removing the Alt clause afterward:

The image is now showing in preview.
Once again, using the quicktags and leaving the Alt clause in:

Shows a frame with a question mark in preview.

Cliff

120. MrPete
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 4:05 AM | Permalink

OK. I believe we’re dealing with some javascript issues in certain browsers. It may affect the Quicktags and/or the preview.

When you use the Img quicktag, it should ask for a url and a description. If you put “URL” in the url and “DESCRIPTION” in the description, the Quicktag should paste this into your reply box:

<img src="URL" alt="DESCRIPTION" />

If you get something else, we’ve got a quicktags bug.
If you get the above, but the preview is still wrong, that’s a preview bug, not a quicktags bug.

121. Hans Erren
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 4:06 AM | Permalink
122. Hans Erren
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 4:07 AM | Permalink

nope. I used the img button in IE, html looked ok result however doesn’t work.

123. MrPete
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 4:16 AM | Permalink

[update: quicktags does not have a bug but you DO have to be careful…]

Be careful not to have any spaces in your URL. If you do, you will get a space after the first quote or before the last:
<img src=” http…gif ” />

If that happens, just remove the space(s) and your posting should be ok:
<img src=”http…gif” />

However, in IE there is also a preview problem that breaks the image url.

124. Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 4:27 AM | Permalink

MrPete,

When I use the quicktag for image, I do not see the extra space after the first quote. The image html generated is as you show in #120.

Cliff

125. Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 4:56 AM | Permalink
126. Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 4:56 AM | Permalink

Here is a try from IE 6 SP2, XP SP3
With the Alt clause:

Preview shows a box with a red x.
Without the Alt clause:

Preview shows the image.
Note: the image only shows in preview if there is no space between the URL trailing quote mark and the slash. Removing the trailing space makes no difference if the Alt clause is used. The same is found using Safari.

Cliff

127. MrPete
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 5:03 AM | Permalink

OK, I think the preview is fixed. The preview code was trying to create fancy quotes (any time there was a space before or after a quote character.) I’m surprised this is in a popular released plugin. Well, CA puts everything through its paces, even our tools 🙂

Please test one more time, folks.

128. Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 5:05 AM | Permalink

OK. I’ve just made a change to a file which should allow commenters to use the img tags.

Can someone try it?

129. Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 5:08 AM | Permalink

Ok, seeing the image preview with the Alt clause. This is using Safari.

Cliff

130. Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 5:11 AM | Permalink

There you go. I’m not completely useless after all.

131. Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 5:12 AM | Permalink

Using IE 6 SP2, XP SP3

Cliff

132. MrPete
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 5:18 AM | Permalink

Hmmm… sounds like JohnA and I are doing simultaneous edits? 🙂

JohnA — I commented out two lines in live-comment-preview. What did you do?

133. bernie
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 5:45 AM | Permalink

Hey guys, are you playing mind games with me? Now the home page looks great…but the comment page has the links, etc., towards the bottom of the page as per the previous home page!!
The text on this comment page is also tiny — less that 7pt.

It is cute how the tip jar is by the comment box. That is a smart piece of marketing!!

134. Jim Waters
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 5:52 AM | Permalink

The type size is too small to read. The type size you had yesterday was wonderful. Can you go back to what you had yesterday?

135. MrPete
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 5:59 AM | Permalink

Apologies. I missed a few characters when pasting in the new “paste link” feature.

While cleaning up other bits, I decided to make it easier to link to other comments. Try it out!

136. Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 6:02 AM | Permalink

RE:#133 bernie,
Yup, I’m seeing that too in IE6 – even with the page in fullscreen mode, using a 1680×1050 screen. However, everything looks fine in Safari.

Cliff

137. Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 6:05 AM | Permalink

Sorry, a little slow on my last comment. Looks good again in IE6, even with a smaller window.

Cliff

• Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 6:07 AM | Permalink

Re: #137

Cliff

138. MrPete
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 6:11 AM | Permalink

Sizes should be ok. For a short time, pages had an html error in IE.

For those who miss some of the “contrasty” feel of the old theme, I’ve added a bit of a 3D effect to comment headers. Personally, I’m ambivalent about it. Could keep, make a bit thinner, or get rid of it.

I think JohnA is coloring up the page a bit as well.

And now we have a nice “paste link” feature to permanently connect comments together.

With that, I’m outtahere for a while. Those who still see “dropped” side bars, please capture a screen. Most people seem to have no trouble any more on a wide variety of browsers. If you are having trouble, are you doing anything “non standard”, e.g. a special plugin or settings?

Thanks for everyone’s help shaking this new theme out. I think we’re closing in on something we can all live with.

139. bernie
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 6:11 AM | Permalink

Everything is bootiful now!! Many thanks for your patience and thank god for your skills!

I do think the tip jar by the comment box could be a revenue generator but it probably is a difficult do!!

140. Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 6:11 AM | Permalink

JohnA — I commented out two lines in live-comment-preview. What did you do?

I edited kses.php to allow commenters to use img tags.

I have also brightened up the colo(u)r scheme.

141. Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 6:21 AM | Permalink

It will only paste the link, not the comment. So its working as designedTM

142. MrPete
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 6:24 AM | Permalink

Some were concerned about squished text in the recent comments area. Is it better now?

143. Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 6:25 AM | Permalink

Can see preview before the paste link.
Re: #3
Fixed yet? Nope. Aha, there it is – the paste link has a space between a and href=, when that is removed, preview works.

Cliff

144. Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 6:26 AM | Permalink

I’ve added two more buttons to the Quicktags: super (for superscript) and sub (for subscript)

Let it not be said that we don’t know our x2 from our CO2!

145. Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 6:31 AM | Permalink

Rats, now the like doesn’t work.

Re: #143John A
The problem is that nothing is previewed after the paste link is used. – This line is not seen in preview or anything that follows.

Cliff

146. Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 7:03 AM | Permalink

“Watts Up With That”
A normal link lets preview work Ok.
Re: “#148”
Added quotes around the comment number – let’s see if the link works.

Cliff

147. Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 7:05 AM | Permalink

Yup, that worked and preview worked after the quotes were added.

Cliff

• Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 7:35 AM | Permalink

Re: “#151
Adding the quotes doesn’t work for IE6 – everything after the paste link is shown in preview, but it is shown as a link (to the paste link comment).
Also, only the first quote is needed in Safari (or IE) to get the preview to show.

Cliff

• Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 7:35 AM | Permalink

Re: “#151
Adding the quotes doesn’t work for IE6 – everything after the paste link is shown in preview, but it is shown as a link (to the paste link comment).
Also, only the first quote is needed in Safari (or IE) to get the preview to show.

Cliff

• Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 7:44 AM | Permalink

Re: “#155

Using IE6, adding the quote and then adding an extra close tag seems to work. We’ll see.

Cliff

• Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 7:54 AM | Permalink

Re: “#158

Pretty strange – try pointing at the text following the paste link in 158. In IE6 it is normal, but in Safari it changes to a link to nowhere.

Cliff

• DeWitt Payne
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 8:31 AM | Permalink

Re: #158,

The preview pane and links is seriously broken. You can’t put a second link in a post without everything disappearing. The cause seems to have something to do with quotation marks. I can’t put a quotation mark in the post without losing the text. Firefox 3.01, WinXP Pro SP3.

• MrPete
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 10:42 AM | Permalink

Re: #158, #161

In #158, the text was mis-edited. After the #158 link there is <a> and then the rest of the post, and then </a> — so of course it is a link to nowhere.

My question right now: does “paste link” do the right thing always?

My sense is our only issue is the preview. Preview has always been a bit squirrely… hopefully we can improve it bit by bit.

• Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 11:42 AM | Permalink

Re: “#167 MrPete,

Using Safari or IE6, the paste link seems to work fine, but it kills the preview – no more is seen after the paste link is inserted.

Except for the lack of preview, the paste link does not prevent a correct post.

Using the Link quicktag works fine and does not kill the preview.

Using Safari, I found that in the paste link, a quote before the comment number (“#167), makes preview work, after the paste link.

Using IE6, adding the quote before the number also makes preview work after a paste link, but it screws up the paste link.

# 158 was an experiment to try fixing the screwed up paste link in IE6, by adding an extra /a tag after the paste link.

Cliff

148. Gary A.
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 7:13 AM | Permalink

This formatting occurs on all pages for me.

It is not a general Firefox 3.0.1 issue as it does not occur on my wife’s computer.

149. Basil
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 7:29 AM | Permalink

The upgrade appeared to work okay until I upgraded from 2.x to Firefox 3. Now I’m seeing what Gary A. in 152 posts. The two side columns are appearing sequentially, after the center column (frame?). The window I am typing in is pretty weird, too, being just under 2″ wide, and not filling the width of the current column (frame).

150. Gary A.
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 7:30 AM | Permalink

OK found the difference between by wife’s and my settings. I have Firefox Default Font set to Times New Roman 18. She has it set to 16. When I set it to 16 it formats correctly.

151. Gary A.
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 7:39 AM | Permalink

David Hagen, Gary A, Bob Koss – can you capture a screen (prtscrn, then open mspaint and paste, then save as jpg) to illustrate? This clearly does not happen for everyone who uses the same browser you do. I suspect something else is happening.

It is confusing that shrinking the side bars would help. The “normal” push-down issue is that something doesn’t fit within the given width of the sidebar. Thus, making the side bars narrower should make it worse.

It is not so much shrinking the sidebars. It is the relationship between your margins and the width. If I change the left and right margins to be -13 and -14 (with width left at 12.5 and 13.5) that fixes the issue also.

152. Gary A.
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 7:45 AM | Permalink

Well this is weird. Changing the Font size clearly impacts the issue, BUT it is not just smaller works. With Times New Roman (for varius point sizes) the following occurs:

12 does not work
14 works
16 does not work
18 works
20 works
22 does not work

Ha!

153. Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 7:52 AM | Permalink

It seems like I am checking only after problems are fixed. I have not encountered any layout issues (except for not being able to posted images for a while, but it looks like you guys have taken care of that).

I am getting used to the new theme. I especially appreciate the “paste link” tool.

I am not sure if you already know of http://browsershots.org/

It might be useful to look at this site http://browsershots.org/http://www.climateaudit.org/.

— Sinan

154. Gary A.
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 7:55 AM | Permalink

Sorry slight error in above table 16 works, 18 does not…

12 does not work
14 works
16 works
18 does not work
20 works
22 does not work

155. Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 9:53 AM | Permalink

Test
Re: “#164

here
“Something” with quotes
here
“Something” with quotes
here

Multiple links seem to work with Safari.

Cliff

156. MrPete
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 10:39 AM | Permalink

The browsershots service is great. It quickly shows some interesting things:

– The FF 3.0.1 shot is fine… except missing the “best site” graphic. Strange.
– The Opera 9.52 shots do not just have “drop down” sidebars. The sidebars are missing just about everything! I would suggest that this design is (at present) not particularly compatible with Opera.

Finally, the text-size based IE issues are most likely related to a subtle word-wrap effect. Over lunch I’ll pull in some of the fixes I’ve used over the years to resolve these kinds of things.

157. M.Villeger
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 10:47 AM | Permalink

I am sorry to say I find the new presentation a tad confusing: everything is black on white background including the side panels. The previous color scheme was pleasant and untiring. I am sure it’s work in progress… so thanks.

158. Dave Dardinger
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 11:17 AM | Permalink

Re: #3

Let’s see if it works with two of them

Re: #129

Hmmm. The second one shows up in the preview but not the first one Let’s try a third one for good measure…

Re: #62

Now I get the second and third one but not the first.

Getting rid of the first link then got rid of the second one in the preview, leaving only the 3rd link. Repasting the first link returned the second link, so it’s something with how the preview displays things. Now I’ll enter the message and we’ll see how many links show up.

159. Dave Dardinger
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 11:19 AM | Permalink

Aha, they all show up in the actual message. So this problem is a preview problem only.

160. David L. Hagen
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 11:20 AM | Permalink

MrPete
My display looks like Gary’s at #152.

Gary’s solution Re: #154 of changing Firefox’s Default Font size from 18 to 16 also works. (17 does not.)

See Tools, Options, Content, Default Font and change the font size number from 18 to 16.
For Firefox Help see: Options,
If the page could be changed to automatically scale that would be preferable.
I’m guessing that this may relate to an absolute rather than relative column width settings relative to margins.

161. Gary A.
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 11:23 AM | Permalink

Just to clarify the 3.0.1 Firefox column issue is what I was commenting about with text sizes. Different default text sizes make the columns fall to bottom. The web browser site showing 3.0.1 sort of working, must be using one of the 50% or so sizes that work.

162. David L. Hagen
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 11:32 AM | Permalink

Expanding on Gary’s note at #162 on what Firefox Default Font size works in showing the side bars properly at the top parallel to the center column
vs that which does not work (showing left side bar below center column, and right side bar below left bar):
9 works
10 works
11 works
12 does not work
13 does not work
14 works
15 works
16 works
17 does not work
18 does not work
20 works
22 does not work
24 works
26 works
28 does not work
30 works

(For how to change the Default Font see Re: #171)
Happy hunting. Right off I don’t see the correlation.

163. Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 11:47 AM | Permalink

I noticed something odd in the preview when I removed the extra quote in the paste link in #174 above.
Here it is again without the quote.

Re: #167 MrPete,

Using Safari or IE6, the paste link seems to work fine, but it kills the preview – no more is seen after the paste link is inserted.

Except for the lack of preview, the paste link does not prevent a correct post.

Using the Link quicktag works fine and does not kill the preview.

Using Safari, I found that in the paste link, a quote before the comment number (“#167), makes preview work, after the paste link.

Using IE6, adding the quote before the number also makes preview work after a paste link, but it screws up the paste link.

# 158 was an experiment to try fixing the screwed up paste link in IE6, by adding an extra /a tag after the paste link.

Cliff

164. Cliff Huston
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 11:52 AM | Permalink

Look like it works in spite of the preview oddness – I was seeing the last three lines (only) of the post displayed as links in preview.

Cliff

165. MrPete
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 12:00 PM | Permalink

I can easily replicate the sidebar problem now by changing the default font size. Very interesting. This layout is 100% resizable! (In FF, use ctrl+ and ctrl- to change the size. As long as your default size is one of the “ok” sizes, it all works fine)

Perhaps BytesForAll will find it before I get a chance to dig in on it. As I recall, there are tricky IE/Opera workarounds using things like this:
html {font-size:100%;}
body {font-size:62.5%;}
table, select, input {font-size:100.01%;}
.button, submit {font-size:100.01%;}
form, .form {font-size:100.01%;}
input, textarea, select, file, option {font-size:100.01%;}

166. mbabbitt
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 12:27 PM | Permalink

Status: IE6 on WinXP — looks correct today. Thanks.

167. David L. Hagen
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 1:53 PM | Permalink

For SEARCH, my preference would be to default to search CA, not Web.

168. Sam Urbinto
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 2:12 PM | Permalink

Nice look.

169. Ross Berteig
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 2:46 PM | Permalink

Woo hoo! It looks like after submitting, the comment looks as intended rather than as shown by the preview. So that narrows the problem a bit. I suspect that all the problem I had with “quotes” was due to the preview mis-parsing the text after any link was in the text at all.

170. Pete
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 2:48 PM | Permalink

My attention is not drawn to any area, but is diffused around the page. Perhaps too much black text on white background. I like some feature like borders or color background to distinguish areas such as the left and right columns from the current center of attention of the blog

171. Paul
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 3:12 PM | Permalink

Might I suggest a more toned down color for the main headings? The color for the comment numbers is good… The current color seems a little brash.

172. David
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 5:41 PM | Permalink

The site looks a lot better now than it did yesterday. Thanks for the extra line height in the columns!

173. MrPete
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 8:24 PM | Permalink

I believe the issues with FF default font size causing “dropped” sidebars are fixed.
Opera and Safari MAY be better but I don’t use them and cannot tell.
IE “drop” issues are NOT fixed. Might require changing to a different underlying 3-column model.

174. Gary A.
Posted Aug 27, 2008 at 9:20 PM | Permalink

Mr. Pete,
Thanks for the fixes. Fire Fox 3.0.1 columns are now working great!

175. Thor
Posted Aug 28, 2008 at 12:20 AM | Permalink

I’m using Opera 9.52, and the sidebars are now at the top 🙂
Thank you

176. David L. Hagen
Posted Aug 28, 2008 at 6:19 AM | Permalink

MrPete
Congratulations on fixing columns in FireFox 3.0.1.

On the top, the graphic underlay sppears to be of fixed width while the “Climate Audit” and “by Steve McIntire” vary. This looks ok with a narrow screen.
However when viewing full width on a 15.3″ or 17″ screen (FF at 16 point), the graphic is narrower than the text. This occurs on both FF and IE but slightly different.
e.g. on FF, the graphic starts halfway through the C in “Climate” and after the b in “by”, with an equal amount of white space on the right.
In IE it starts half way through Climate between m and a. (Might be different default font scaling in display settings. 100% vs 125%).

Not a big deal, but I think it would look better to have the graphic extend with the screen width all the way to the left/right borders under title and subtitle.

177. MrPete
Posted Aug 28, 2008 at 6:45 AM | Permalink

Thanks, David. Not all of us have a screen wide enough to notice that the graphic doesn’t repeat ;). It is temporarily fixed. Will rotate so you can’t see the seam ASAP.

178. Bob Koss
Posted Aug 28, 2008 at 7:04 AM | Permalink

Opera sidebars are now ok. Thanks.

179. David L. Hagen
Posted Aug 28, 2008 at 9:10 AM | Permalink

MrPete
Re: #190 Much improved. Graphic spans width now in both FF and IE. Thanks

To improve visual impact, recommend a background graphic giving a stronger contrast between title and background. e.g. lighter blue, or a light fairly uniform cloud under the title.

180. MrPete
Posted Aug 28, 2008 at 10:27 AM | Permalink

The banner now repeats smoothly. CA is now prepared for any amount of Anthropogenic Global Widening (of screens).

We’ll get a new banner treatment when someone steps up to make one. (Yes, contrasty can help… a nice translucent faded box could help, or better text treatment, or… any graphic design pro could make the whole thing great. We’re not graphic designers 🙂 ]

181. David L. Hagen
Posted Aug 28, 2008 at 11:07 AM | Permalink

MrPete Trying IE8 beta 1, gives hybrid column problems. Ok on right, not on left. Left column below the center text.

Just came across this cheerful warning! By Gregg Keizer August 28, 2008 (Computerworld) Microsoft Corp. yesterday warned users of Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) that they won’t be able to uninstall either the service pack or Internet Explorer 8 (IE8) under some circumstances.

“If you chose to continue, Windows XP SP3 and IE8 Beta 2 will become permanent,” Maliouta said. “You will still be able to upgrade to later IE8 builds as they become available, but you won’t be able to uninstall them.”

She recommended that users instead first uninstall Windows XP SP3, then uninstall IE8 Beta 1; they should then reinstall XP SP3 and follow that by installing IE8 Beta 2.

182. MrPete
Posted Aug 28, 2008 at 11:20 AM | Permalink

The column issue is not really resolved, only patched and worked around.

183. fFreddy
Posted Aug 30, 2008 at 5:54 AM | Permalink

Love the Paste Link feature. Any chance of including name of relevant commenter in the pasted text ?

184. MrPete
Posted Aug 30, 2008 at 7:01 AM | Permalink

Re #196 (fFreddy): you mean like this? 🙂

Thanks for prodding me. I had thought that might be a nice thing but didn’t bother checking into it. Esy to dol.

185. Posted Aug 30, 2008 at 8:00 AM | Permalink

186. fFreddy
Posted Aug 30, 2008 at 9:09 AM | Permalink

Re #197 (MrPete):
Excellent, thanks.

187. Dave Dardinger
Posted Aug 30, 2008 at 1:34 PM | Permalink

Wonderful!

The only trouble with it is that it’s going to make it way to easy to post messages here. BTW, what happens if you try linking and a message is deleted? I hope it doesn’t cause the system to blow up.

188. MrPete
Posted Aug 30, 2008 at 7:56 PM | Permalink

no blowups. if a different comment is deleted, the link still works but the number will now be wrong.
if the same comment is gone, the link just doesn’t do anything.

Posted Aug 31, 2008 at 7:01 AM | Permalink

John A and Mr Pete

I really appreciate that the font sizes in the left and right sidebars are much more legible now.

The only suggestion that I can make is that it would be easier on old eyes if, in the alternating colors of the comments, you could substitute something less glaring for the background than bright white.

I have some questions/comments about CA database stats that I’d like to take up off-line. I’m assuming that you can see my email addr.

TIA

190. BarryW
Posted Aug 31, 2008 at 6:32 PM | Permalink

Hmmm, the reply and paste link doesn’t seem to work on my machine when there is a website (the name is clickable). Works fine for other posts.

191. fFreddy
Posted Sep 1, 2008 at 12:12 PM | Permalink

Past decade hottest for 1,300 years in northern hemisphere

He’s back !

192. fFreddy
Posted Sep 1, 2008 at 3:02 PM | Permalink

Strange … that link was to a story in the Telegraph about Mann releasing a new multi-proxy study in the Proceedings of the NAS, which purports to show, without tree-rings, that the past decade has been the hottest for 1,300 years in the northern hemisphere.
But the headline has disappeared from their front page, and that link doesn’t work. You can find the summary if you search on ‘Mann’, but it still doesn’t link to the story.
I’m confused …

193. Posted Sep 1, 2008 at 5:15 PM | Permalink

MrPete, I tried Piefecta but it would drop a sidebar, too. Not as easily as the current layout technique but still. I did however develop a new layout technique the last few days that looks very good so far. Do you think you could live with a single table (wrapped in one div, and including one div) if it fixed all dropping issues and wrapped long strings, too? The code would be much cleaner and shorter, too, without hacks or Javascript, and still be valid XHTML. I will use this new layout for new fluid themes that require vertical layout borders and was wondering if it made sense for you to put it into a new version of “Atahualpa” as well (replacing the current Skidoo Redux layout).

194. Posted Sep 1, 2008 at 5:16 PM | Permalink

One thing about the reply and post link. It seems to work perfectly except for posts by the origin of the post. Ex. the Gustov post by Ryanm. The reply and post doesn’t work for RyanM at least in Firefox.

195. Posted Sep 2, 2008 at 5:10 AM | Permalink
196. RomanM
Posted Sep 2, 2008 at 5:35 AM | Permalink

#204 ffreddy

There is a typing error in the link for the Telegraph article (eahottest101). The following link should work:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/09/01/eahottest201.xml

With regard to the reply and paste link, my browser (IE7 on Vista) also seems to be having trouble pasting both the links which have an http link for the name of the poster and those which don’t. The former give me a javascript “error on page” message.

For captdallas2 in 207, the details of the error are:

Line:1
Char: 55
Error: Expected ‘)’
Code: 0
URL: https://climateaudit.org/?p=3440

When I click ffreddy in #204, the javascript seems to work, but text following it does not appear in the preview. To test if the actual post appears properly (with text following):

Re: fFreddy (#204),

This is text following the link insertion.

• MrPete
Posted Sep 2, 2008 at 6:43 AM | Permalink

Re: RomanM (#209),
You won’t see the preview until you type something more. I’m not yet sure if or how to trigger a preview update other than by typing something.

197. RomanM
Posted Sep 2, 2008 at 5:45 AM | Permalink

The fFreddy link and the later text I typed did appear so it works in the actual submission and is probably a preview problem.

As well, I mistyped the error information. It should read: “Char: 66” (not 55).

Sorry about the duplication of information with UC. His post had not appeared when I started writing mine.

198. MrPete
Posted Sep 2, 2008 at 6:18 AM | Permalink

BytesForAll — I’m not a purist. A table makes a LOT of sense to me 🙂

199. MrPete
Posted Sep 2, 2008 at 6:23 AM | Permalink

OK, I now understand the problem with “reply and paste link” — just didn’t understand the report.

If the commenter’s name is actually a link, then the reply-and-paste did not work.

It’s now fixed.

200. Donald Wilson
Posted Sep 2, 2008 at 6:18 PM | Permalink

The main page appears ok. This afternoon the story pages, including this “WordPress upgrade imminent” page, have the upper part of the left column super imposed on the mid page content.

I don’t know if this is just on my IE7, or is affecting everybody. This was not happening at 11am PDT.

201. Posted Sep 2, 2008 at 6:59 PM | Permalink

Just for fun I moved to Google Chrome. The Von Storch reply link still doesn’t work but everything else seems fine. The main posts are creeping a little into the right side bar but not bad. Chrome Beta is not Firefox friendly so my bookmarks are lost until I figure a fix. Loading seems faster but I haven’t really challenged the new browser. Off to load this sucker up!

202. NeedleFactory
Posted Sep 3, 2008 at 3:50 PM | Permalink

I may be wrong but:
(a) I think that each initial post, unlike comments appended thereto, have a “date & time stamp” that includes only the date, not the time.
(b) I think that prior to the upgrade, the posts did include both date & time.

Is it possible, now or in future, to see the time of a post?

203. DeWitt Payne
Posted Sep 15, 2008 at 9:38 AM | Permalink

Quicktags button test

Bold

Italic

quote

testsuper

testsub

204. David L Hagen
Posted Oct 30, 2008 at 7:24 AM | Permalink

MrPete
Much appreciate all the work you put in to debug this theme.
May I now recommend saving this debugged theme with generic titles and making it available on CA to other users and posting it to WordPress Themes. That would be a big help to us who would like to start our own blogs with a premier debugged WordPress theme.

• Posted Oct 31, 2008 at 4:59 AM | Permalink

If you follow the thread you’ll have found that BytesForAll talked to Mr Pete and myself at length to fix any residual issues and improve performance and stability. For which we thanked him.

So if you go to his website and download the latest Atahualpa version then you’ll get all the bug fixes.

205. David L Hagen
Posted Oct 30, 2008 at 7:26 AM | Permalink

MrPete
PS “Submit comment” brings the following warning:

in addition to the enter number check.

206. Posted Oct 31, 2008 at 4:56 AM | Permalink

That’s the CAPTCHA checker. If you enter the right number then don’t worry it will allow your comment through.

207. Posted Oct 31, 2008 at 5:01 AM | Permalink

Testsuper Testsub

208. Posted Nov 5, 2008 at 3:34 AM | Permalink

Excelent post. I wish good luck from Private Krankenversicherung

209. Posted Nov 9, 2008 at 2:06 AM | Permalink

Excelent post. I wish good luck from Private Krankenversicherung

210. Posted Nov 21, 2008 at 1:27 AM | Permalink

Excelent good article and blog. I wish good luck

211. David L. Hagen
Posted Dec 31, 2008 at 9:17 PM | Permalink

John A

212. David L. Hagen
Posted Dec 31, 2008 at 9:18 PM | Permalink

John A.

With this version more than 30 bugs have been fixed since the initial 3.0 release. New in this version 3.1.7: