Steve interviewed on BBC Radio 4 "Today" programme

The interview is here starting at 17:40 (just move the scrollbar to around 17:30, you don’t have to wait!). The interview is obviously edited, but Steve manages to make some clear points.


  1. TCO
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 1:53 AM | Permalink

    link or whatever is messed up, John. I don’t get a link, I get a request to save a program of unknown type.

  2. Mark T
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 2:08 AM | Permalink

    It’s a ram file, Real Audio Media I believe. You’ll probably need to get Real Player, or save it to disk and see if you can’t get Windows Media Player to play it by adding in a codec (it is a streaming video format, btw).


  3. TCO
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 2:13 AM | Permalink

    I’m not going to bother with that. JohnA is just being useer-unfriendlyu. Let me trell you about the games we had with the side bar and with putting links in and all and all his excuses

  4. John Lish
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 2:21 AM | Permalink

    TCO – the BBC use RealPlayer. Sheesh, any minor point to attack John A on and you’re there. Any particular reason for your hyper-irritation?

  5. Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 2:22 AM | Permalink


    Brilliant – that was absolutely superb. The double point that not only are the adjustments as large as the trend but that the underlying measurements themselves are not quite as good as they might be was very well put.

    Perfect pitch for the BBC.


  6. TCO
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 2:36 AM | Permalink

    4: I’m on the rag.

  7. A friend
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 2:39 AM | Permalink

    Use real alternative to listen to RA audio. No bloat.

  8. James Lane
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 2:41 AM | Permalink

    Worked seamlessly for me, on a Mac using Safari.

  9. TCO
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 2:45 AM | Permalink

    I’m not a communist. I use IE on a PC. And Real Player is frigging spyware.

  10. Geoff Sherrington
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 3:37 AM | Permalink

    Even Australians can manage software trouble-free and appreciate the power of communication by reasoned argument from Steve on the BBC. That was an excelllent job, Steve. Even the reporter got the message first time up and the message is hard to refute.

  11. James Lane
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 4:17 AM | Permalink


    I’m not a communist. I use IE on a PC.

    … and it didn’t work. That’s an “own goal”?

    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 4:43 AM | Permalink

    #9 TCO
    If you cut down on BM´s you´d probably realize
    that all “freeware” are loaded with spyware!
    Do you think Saint Bill´s MS WMP is any
    better, give us the proof…BTW I remember
    DeWitt Payne using about the same expression and
    Face the world man it´s evil and it´s gonna kill
    you…If not a World Premiere…What do you say
    of Net Transport, Flash-Get, Jet-Audio, ScreamerR
    (For download and/or recording, Cam Studio for
    recording screen I got Steve McIntyre on CTV
    yesterday that way…Downloading all these
    clips with snowfalls in Argentina, South Africa,
    is so much better than hearing some publicly paid
    person tell you this is just another sign in line
    of AGW…
    Steve M! Good points and ironically the part after
    yours is about a German physicist who, Günther Nimst
    Can´t find him.. claims(and other scientists) that
    the speed of light can be superceded…Well just
    look at Nasa-Giss, its mid August and they already
    “know” the mean annual temperature in Debrecen
    Hungary that is 2007…KUTGW and we will too
    I´ve also some “Delikatessen” on USHNC and Nasa-Giss…
    coming up the next weeks hopefully…
    PS. Tube-Sucker for downloading You-Tube videos DS.

    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 4:50 AM | Permalink

    #12…Apparently my old accents become question
    marks, as if we didn’t have “Marks” here enough
    (Not to talk of us “Steves” “The Question Steves”
    good name for band don’t y’a think…?

    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 4:56 AM | Permalink

    John A! Your link was directly “downstreamable”
    (with a convenient program) What does BBC say of
    that…?? BR DLDEVIL…

  15. Joe S
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 4:58 AM | Permalink

    For anyone interested, the Real Alternative player linked in #7 is the way to go for those occasional times you’ll need to play a RAM file.

  16. PHE
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 5:28 AM | Permalink

    Steve also gets a mention in the UK’s Daily Telegraph.

    Also includes some wisdon from Dr Gavin Schmidt:

    “He cites the period between 2002 and 2006, where the average was 0.66ºC above the norm, as still being warmer than 1930-1934, where an increase of 0.63ºC was the largest in the early part of the century.”

    But the writer points out the following:
    “However both periods are below the 1998-2002 average temperature of 0.79ºC hotter than normal.”

    I think Dr Schmidt may have a taste for cherries.

  17. Stan Palmer
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 5:43 AM | Permalink

    I had no trouble playing teh clip. It was very nice how you deflected the leading questions from the interviewer about the trend with the questions about the quality of the adjustments

  18. MattN
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 5:44 AM | Permalink

    “I think Dr Schmidt may have a taste for cherries.”

    Ya think?

  19. Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 5:48 AM | Permalink

    Steve’s story is also featured on Channel 4, U.K.

    and the Ottawa Citizen

  20. TAC
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 6:01 AM | Permalink

    SteveM: Nice job!

    For everyone who hasn’t listened to the BBC: SteveM provides a clear and simple explanation of what happened, without touching on why. I imagine the audience will have no trouble drawing the right conclusions.

  21. Bob Koss
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 6:29 AM | Permalink

    Good interview Steve.

    Someone mentioned picking cherries, but I don’t like hot ones. I prefer mine cold.

    Looking at the top ten coldest years out of the last 100 years.(Since 1907) 40% of the top ten coldest years are in the most recent 30% of the years.

  22. paul graham
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 6:48 AM | Permalink

    Just listened to the interview; it start about 17 minutes into the program; and is followed immediately by a piece on the speeded of light. It seams’ you cannot trust anything these days. I feel you came off well; especially as the interviewer was being leading in his questions. This will only make alarmist claims hard to believe and add weight to the call for a debate.

    In addition, I noticed you’ve appeared in the Times, Guardian and the Metro.

  23. paul graham
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 6:50 AM | Permalink

    I like my cherries with chocolate in ice-cream, of my own cherries jam.

  24. Jeff Wood
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 7:13 AM | Permalink

    Nice, Steve. You kept it clear and low key.

    The Beeb seems to be one of several outlets who describe you as a “blogger”, with the prefix “mere” understood. If I were you, I would sue. Might pay for the new hardware.

  25. Jaye
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 7:22 AM | Permalink

    I’m not going to bother with that. JohnA is just being useer-unfriendlyu. Let me trell you about the games we had with the side bar and with putting links in and all and all his excuses

    Are intentionally thick? If you have real player installed (a very common media player, that is usually on most windows systems), then it just comes up and starts playing.

    And if it really was an unknown type, then how did you know enough about RP to say its spyware? An exercise in CYA if you ask me.

  26. PaulM
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 8:06 AM | Permalink

    Good stuff Steve – nice to see the story has finally made it across the atlantic. Unfortunately the BBC put it on at around 06.50 local time, not the best slot, so I dont know how many people will have been listening. I listen to that programme every day from about 7.30-8.30 – if it had been then there would have been millions. You had a fairly easy ride from the interviewer – they sometimes take the other side rather strongly. For those who don’t know, “Today” is really the BBC’s most important news programme.

    The article in the Times “Blogger proves NASA wrong on climate change” is here along with several comments, almost all taking the skeptic viewpoint.

    Hope the new server is resilient – you could be getting a lot more hits now!

  27. Mark T.
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 9:02 AM | Permalink

    I’m not going to bother with that. JohnA is just being useer-unfriendlyu. Let me trell you about the games we had with the side bar and with putting links in and all and all his excuses

    That was the link given to John so that was the link he posted. That’s the file format the website used, so John was doing nothing but passing it along, and thus it has nothing to do with John being unuserfriendly – blame the BBC. When exactly are your 7 days up? 😉


  28. Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 10:09 AM | Permalink

    Jeff Wood,

    “Mere blogger” is a way of insulting NASA.

  29. PHE
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 12:44 PM | Permalink

    Having just listened to the Today programme interview, I would say it did not come over too well. Steve did the best he could, but the unless you were already following the arguments, I think it would be difficult to for the lay listener to really appreciate the significance. The BBC failed to provide any additional explanation of the context or significance, which is a shame given that the BBC has a pretty good reputation for presentation of science. What didn’t help was the story being directly followed by a German scientist (with a strong accent) talking incoherently about having exceeded the speed of light. It gave the impression that this was the ‘cranky scientists’ slot’, which is unfair.
    I think the best result of this whole story is that Steve McIntyre can no longer be dismissed as a naive amateur. He has forced NASA (Gavin Schmidts employer!) to sit up and listen. This means that his views have an even better chance of being taken seriously.
    Another point is that the defence are arguing ‘we are only talking about hundreths of a degree!’. This could go against them. If there’s only 100ths of a degree difference between the 1930’s and now, what’s all the excitement about??

    Excellent work by Steve McIntyre. A knighthood one day?

  30. PHE
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 12:51 PM | Permalink

    Another comment – and only once this time!:

    Can someone explain why if the ‘jump’ related to data from 2000, why did this affect the comparison of 1998 and 1934?

  31. Chris D
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 2:17 PM | Permalink

    A bit OT, but an interesting aside re: BBC:

  32. Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 2:58 PM | Permalink

    The BBC are very one sided when it comes to Climate Change, and were critised in a recent high level report for this. Jeremy Paxman their “Hard Man” of newsnight has also confirmed this. Personally I feel their presentation of the issues are disgusting, frequently making casual links and spewing out green propoganda.
    The problem is the BBC will hype what it thinks is important, for example when we had the nice weather here in the UK, they were only to pleased to hint at Global Warming causing this, and this would be the hottest year on record etc, and any one in the UK knows the rest, mother nature didnt sing to the BBC hymm sheet and we’ve had one of the coolest summers for years. Mind you this didnt stop them saying that this to could be a sign.
    Well done Steve your hard worki is paying off

  33. Roger Dueck
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 3:21 PM | Permalink

    We have the priviledge of having CBC, and now, BBC news coverage. I concur with your assessment of bias and add the CBC to that.

    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 4:55 PM | Permalink

    #16 PHE DLed the DT article, both the Guardian
    and the DT calls Steve an “amateur meteorologist”
    I’m pretty sure that that is meant to be at least somewhat
    derogative for them but have they ever known the
    meaning of “amateur” ie somebody who loves what she
    or he does…??? The download took 30 seconds(!)(240 kb) I
    have 8 MB/S broadband, well sort of …WDR3 AND PR P2
    downstreaming =96kbps Usually 1200-1400 kbps is the
    normal bandwidth capacity down …So I would say every
    one is googling Steve M by now…Could anyone provide

    us with similar experiences UK time 2007 Aug 17 23:33 pm …

  35. Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 5:05 PM | Permalink

    PHE : Because they decided the correct way to remove the jump was to adjust the data before 2000 to match the data after, rather than the other way around. Don’t ask me if that’s the correct thing to do, but it is what I remember our esteemed host explaining that they did.

    So, it makes sense that 1990s values would have changed, then.

  36. Steve Moore
    Posted Aug 17, 2007 at 7:05 PM | Permalink

    Good interview, Steve!

    I’ll second the knighthood.

    PS: RP can be installed quickly and configured so as to not interfere with WMP.

    PPSS: I played the entire clip. I especially enjoyed the report about Robert Mugabe — that’s a fellow who should be dragged down a gravel road with his ears nailed to a truck bumper.

  37. paul graham
    Posted Aug 18, 2007 at 4:43 AM | Permalink

    PHE# The reason for the jump is tempeture are filter/smoother over a certian period most likly five years.
    The technique though valid has pronounced effects of the last years graph, where it can exagerate any tempeture increase, or even produce increase that don’t exist.

    for instance this graph gives the impression that tempetures are still rising, due to a 35 year filtering. When in fact tempetures have stagnaged since 2000; click here

    If fact severial of Steves posting have been on this; have alook at the ‘hockey stick graph’ entries, and you’ll see this is a very complex science.

  38. Louis Hissink
    Posted Aug 19, 2007 at 10:45 PM | Permalink

    The one fact which I find interesting is that the small correction so made by Steve actually shows that the temperature plot versus time is hardly robust when small changes can lead to signficant changes in results and thus interpretation. This strongly suggests the temperature anomalies are random in nature rather than having any causal relationship vs time which is what AGW is based on.

  39. BarryW
    Posted Aug 20, 2007 at 10:33 AM | Permalink

    Re #37

    With respect to the first graph. What do the climatologist have to say about the divergence of the land record from the ocean sometime in the 1980’s? To me that would appear to be something seriously wrong. What event, cosmic or otherwise cause a change like that? Maybe the fall of the Soviet Union? Third world industrialization (India, China)? Someone have plots of the temps by continent?

  40. Will C.
    Posted Sep 26, 2007 at 8:29 AM | Permalink

    Steve, can you provide a permalink to the BBC interview on your website. I think it should be archived in ClimateAudit.


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